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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby alokin » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 02:56:55

honestly, this seems to be a lot of work. I use the internet to get informed and, to have a break between endless chores, I think that is the problem lots of users, we are just too lazy to learn a new operating system. And it's maybe only a matter of time until CIA & Co has its hands into LINUX as well.
All this information gathering is as well a huge expense and if the governments really want to do something even more.
Maybe and hopefully they have not anymore the means to feed all these extra mouths of IT experts.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 09:17:47

The internet is like the wild west. Anything can happen on it and navigating it safely comes with the territory.

You should see the jobs that the federal government is posting in the IT sector. Some of them are really, really juicy. It is obvious that the government is taking IT and the internet very seriously now, where I think they lagged behind the private sector in the past. Some of these jobs are paying upwards of $100K-150K/year for technical programming/development jobs. That is a great salary for a good developer in today's market.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 11:13:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'h')ave to read into the proxies, but I doubt that "they" cannot outsmart these proxy servers.
However I don't use these very modern windows versions but I don' know if it helps anything.


You have to know what you are dealing with before you can do anything productive. You have to know the technology. I would recommend installing Linux on your home machine if you are able to learn tech-related points at all. If you install Linux and you do your research on Linux forums, you will learn everything I have written above. The best thing is that you can experiment with Linux while you use it.

I don't use Linux for my main machine, but I have one Linux server that basically is my eyes and ears on my home. It tells me (with other redundancy) whatever is happening in my house, which gets further propagated out to different locations on the web. I can check all this from my phone and I get notifications whenever something has happened which I told it to check. Also, in case this home server doesn't check in with other locations on the internet within the allotted amount of time, I get notified of that too from multiple locations. Redundancy, redundancy, redundancy.



So you have security system/webcam type stuff linked into the Linux server you can check remotely?

I'd love a setup like that... have computers on both floors of the house... it'd be nice to have a loud klaxon that I can remotely activate, so if someone breaks in, I can be notified of change of status and remotely activate a loud klaxon and a message that tells the burglar that I am racing the police to my house so I can pop a cap in his a**.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby vision-master » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 11:27:22

Don't forget those Walmart RFID tags. :lol:
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 11:35:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'S')o you have security system/webcam type stuff linked into the Linux server you can check remotely?


Basically. I'm sitting here at work and can toggle over one window and look directly at my house. I can do the same thing on my Motorola Razr2 phone. I can also check various web sites that are off-site from my house and see the last few frames with time stamps that the camera saw. I'm going to be adding database logging of all activity soon (just an easier and more efficient way of storing lots of data).

I made a post in the "planning for the future" forum about how to buy a cheap $80 networking camera and turn it into a simple home surveillance system. These Panasonic cameras were so cheap and good, but now Panasonic has discontinued the whole line for some reason. The only cameras that I can find which appear to be similar in quality cost $250+. So I went to Amazon, which still had a few in stock, and bought more before they sold out.

If you add a cheap UPS (uninteruptable power supply) battery backup to the Linux server, camera, router and modem, you can program the server to immediately send out warnings to the internet and start recording onto the Linux box itself if the power ever gets shut off.

All it takes is a little bit of knowledge about networking, a a little knowledge about how Linux works, how to do some shell scripting, a little bit of web development, some knowledge of databases and file systems for logging everything, and you can build your own little surveillance and monitoring empire spread around computers all over the world. If you want to get really crazy and add programs and functionality to your smart phone that interface with your system, you can do virtually anything and run it from anywhere.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 11:58:18

Rangerone,

If you just buy this one camera (Amazon still has them), then you can have the ability to:
1. View your home (what the camera sees) from anywhere on the internet and also from any phone that has a super-basic browser.
2. Send pics from the camera to your home computer's hard drive when the motion detection is triggered.

With a little more work, you can make it:
1. Send pics from the motion detection being triggered or on a regular schedule to your own website domain offsite from your home.
2. Have a Linux box use ZoneMinder (advanced camera monitoring software) to control the camera and do different things with it.
3. Log all captured pics and time stamps to different computers at your home or on the internet.
4. Have the camera or Linux machine notify you of any activity.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Network ... B000EXVTJY
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby vision-master » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 12:25:49

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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 16:06:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'R')angerone,

If you just buy this one camera (Amazon still has them), then you can have the ability to:
1. View your home (what the camera sees) from anywhere on the internet and also from any phone that has a super-basic browser.
2. Send pics from the camera to your home computer's hard drive when the motion detection is triggered.

With a little more work, you can make it:
1. Send pics from the motion detection being triggered or on a regular schedule to your own website domain offsite from your home.
2. Have a Linux box use ZoneMinder (advanced camera monitoring software) to control the camera and do different things with it.
3. Log all captured pics and time stamps to different computers at your home or on the internet.
4. Have the camera or Linux machine notify you of any activity.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Network ... B000EXVTJY


Cool stuff! I still have Suse Linux 8 I think on cd, have been using XP on the 3 current computers.

Run an apache webserver at home, along with mySql database and PHP server, so I have a database at home with passwords and usernames, than I can prompt for on PHP app... with the right hardware I suppose I could do all this without too much difficulty.

I wonder if one had an AR-15 with a networked webcam mounted on behind the scope, and a remotely controlled robotic arm for rotating AR within a turret, one could actually engage hostiles from a remote location, depending on lag...
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 16:15:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') posted this in the Facebook sticky at the top of the forum, but I thought I'd post it in its own thread. For the life of me, I can't understand how people willingly submit to being monitored and tracked by the government and corporations.

http://blip.tv/file/1613641

For the life of me I can't figure out why you think this site is any different than Facebook, or your phone/fax/text/email or however you communicate.

if you want to be anonymous why even have grid power, let alone post here to be tracked and profiled?
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 16:28:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'R')un an apache webserver at home, along with mySql database and PHP server, so I have a database at home with passwords and usernames, than I can prompt for on PHP app... with the right hardware I suppose I could do all this without too much difficulty.


Exactly! I just installed the latest Ubuntu server version a few weeks ago for my home Linux server. I installed it on a 6-year-old Dell 2.4 GHz single-core PC and it works great.

Doing what you said, you just have to configure port forwarding through your router to the Linux box's IP address for the ports you've assigned for the Apache server, MySQL, OpenSSH, etc. You can access all of that from anywhere on the internet then, all password protected depending on how you code it. Just make sure that you set up the firewall (iptables) on the Linux box.

You can use the Linux shell and cron utility for automating scripts that you write so that the Linux system checks on everything in your network to make sure it is still up, and take the results and put them into a MySQL log table for you to check later. The automated scripts can also be coded to notify you if anything is wrong during one of its checks.

You can then rent hosted Linux servers spread all over the world, set them up to run checks on your network that you've created, have them copy and backup information so that there are multiple copies in different locations, etc. By that time you'll be ready to work in a corporate IT department somewhere. :)
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:24:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')1) For the life of me I can't figure out why you think this site is any different than Facebook, or your phone/fax/text/email or however you communicate.

2) if you want to be anonymous why even have grid power, let alone post here to be tracked and profiled?


1) It's quite different, if it's not already obvious. On Facebook, you define and completely lay out all your pertinent info, like where you came from, education, jobs, who your friends are, things you like or dislike, what you are doing right now, pictures of yourself, etc. All this info can be found on *one* web page. Facebook states that they consider all this information posted on their site to be theirs to sell, license and sublicense.

Forums aren't nearly as transparent. That is the difference.

2) See my other post in this thread about already having passed dozens of FBI background checks, etc., etc., etc.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby davep » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:37:48

Good stuff Jotapay. I need to spend time back at home and set some stuff up, too. Including a redundant library on post-peak skills (this could actually be dealt with by a few bootable memory sticks, but I like your approach for the rest).
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:48:59

You seem like a much more web savvy person than me.

But are you telling me that anyone with the authority, know how and computational power couldn't mine my posts here for my exact location, possible threat, relatives, bank account numbers, licenses and whatever?

If you think you are more shielded here than somewhere else on the web, I guarantee you you aren't, hence the reason I say BS to your assumption one site or another is a front for TPTB.


There are geeks at .gov too.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:50:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'G')ood stuff Jotapay. I need to spend time back at home and set some stuff up, too. Including a redundant library on post-peak skills (this could actually be dealt with by a few bootable memory sticks, but I like your approach for the rest).


That's a good idea. I'm going to do that as well, I think. I also keep all my information like receipts, serial numbers, insurance photos and things like that in this system.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 17:58:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')ut are you telling me that anyone with the authority, know how and computational power couldn't mine my posts here for my exact location, possible threat, relatives, bank account numbers, licenses and whatever?

If you think you are more shielded here than somewhere else on the web, I guarantee you you aren't, hence the reason I say BS to your assumption one site or another is a front for TPTB.


It all depends on how interconnected their systems are. I think they are pretty well connected right now through massive data mining of systems between corporations and government, and that is increasing all the time.

So "they" have good information about us already. I just choose not to divulge anything more to them than they already know. I'm not going to just lay everything out for them on a platter like you do with a Facebook account and I try and minimize the rest of what I show them. It's just none of their business. The day the government and corporations want to be transparent and tell me what they are doing everyday behind those closed doors, then maybe I'll do the same. Until then, they can take their insultingly offensive spying and data mining programs and bugger off.

edit: and it's not hard to pick this stuff up Pops. Just put Linux on one of your home machines, start fiddling around with FTP client/servers, write a korn shell script program, schedule it to run automatically through cron. Install an OpenSSH server and connect to your machine remotely. Then read on Linux forums about what are safe techniques and best methods for navigating the internet safely. It's fun stuff if you have the patience for it.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 18:49:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '.')..

Dude, I can get real close to you with a couple of clicks and I don't know squat.

Again, if you are real worried about such things I'd suggest you not play...
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby alokin » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 19:09:21

I guess most of us are worried about these things.
But at the moment the internet is just the best source of information and you really need to know when you have to go for a HUGE shopping etc.
I really think it makes a difference if you can be approached via data mining which means paid work hours or if you give everything for free, Maybe the whole facebook is downloaded somewhere but in order to mine data, the internet must be working and the electricity supply must work as well.
Maybe if you don't own a cell phone, pay everything cash, and don't write in forums and only subscribe to mailing lists for information you would be pretty safe, but who then puts the information in the net??
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Jotapay » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 19:16:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ude, I can get real close to you with a couple of clicks and I don't know squat.

Again, if you are real worried about such things I'd suggest you not play...


I don't play. I don't have any social networking accounts.

I'll make the comparison like this. Do you put a huge sign in your front yard that has all of your personal information and your current activities? Of course not, because that would be stupid. But such a sign is exactly the same as your Facebook page. Both are huge bill boards where I can lots of personal information about someone all in one place.

I don't have to plaster everything about me for the world to see if I just want to have a normal conversation with a person on a forum or face to face. Making a tell-all bill board and having a conversation are two totally different things. And one of them is really dumb and created specifically for the purpose and data mining the public.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 19:17:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', '.')..but who then puts the information in the net??

That's the deal, you can't spout paranoid stuff in the same place you hope to find information -

It's like peeing in your water glass.
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Re: Facebook run and funded by DARPA, CIA, DoD ties

Postby Pops » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 19:29:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') don't play. I don't have any social networking accounts.

My point was that I can get close to you from this site with only my limited abilities.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I')'ll make the comparison like this. Do you put a huge sign in your front yard that has all of your personal information and your current activities? Of course not, because that would be stupid.

If you think there aren't people out there who can see and connect random comments smaller than the huge sign you describe, you aren't nearly as paranoid as you seem.

PO is public, just like facebook, telcom, whatever.

If you've something to hide I think you best keep it to yourself.
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