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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 01:50:20

I wouldn't worry about acceptance there are a lot of women out there who would be turned on at having 'turned' you on.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou have to meet a woman who has been in a gay relationship who would like to try hetero. It can't be that difficult. You just have to define your demographic, cast your net and hope you don't catch a chick with a moustache and tatoos :lol:


There are those who are bi-sexual just as yourself, and that may be the demographic that you might have some success with. There are many woman who may want to "settle down' in later years with a man....or a man AND a woman!

Heineken, my friend, how open are you to a situation I've mentioned above?

There are many types of relationships out there. You may be a person who can understand various types.



Sorry Blu, I didn't notice this post of yours until today.

I'm more conservative than I may come off as, at least when it comes to relationships.

I don't think I would want to be involved with a man and a woman at the same time. Triangles like that are inherently complex and unstable. To me relationships like that are the stuff of fantasy. Perhaps they exist, who knows. Finding one that worked would be just about impossible, even if I were so inclined.

I'm more of an all-or-none type. Either I'll find a heterosexual relationship or I'll revert to my fall-back role as the active partner in a gay one or I'll morph into a hermit living with several dogs. I'm not sure I can make the psychological adjustment to the latter, since I have a need for a person in my life, a need that would have to be crushed. So far my basic reaction to being suddenly alone after ten years is a desire, not too far under the surface, to blow my brains out.

The central problem is getting women to accept my past, or figuring out how to cover it up and leave it behind. I may not be able to overcome this problem.
Are there bisexual dating sites? Maybe, but how many people advertising on them live within even 75 miles of me? Maybe one or two, and they might not appeal to me anyway.

This whole thing is such a mess. Maybe Aaron was right. Just don't try.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 02:16:07

Hi Heineken;
I find the west boring and depressing. I have many reasons to live in Asia. I can go back to Australia to work; my money goes 5 times further here. I am treated really well.
I recommend a website called person.com
Live webcam search; start a convo with anyone who you think looks OK or read their profile 1st. It's free, anonymous and minimal crap to get started.
My wife is one of over 300 women I met online over a 3 year period; she was the 3rd I thought was serious.
If you are serious, do a lot of research 1st.
The best thing about meeting ladies online is that the ability to search and filter is far greater than in physical reality; also allows a long period of getting to know each other before sexual chemistry overwhelms better judgement.
I write for a website called livinginthephilippines.com which has a lot about expat issues here.
I have also some relevant articles published on Dmitry Orlov's blogspot: Peak Oil in The Outback, Poverty an Asset, Assets a burden.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 03:57:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')I think you're too hung up on playfully intended terminology, Element.


Even your "friend" thought the whole thing was really sexist. and this came out in the attitude of asking for help. I sincerely offered "help?" or "criticism" in the same "honest" vein. Your "terminology" was in no way recognizable as "playful" when couched behind a "sensitive" personal problem.

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')
Actions speak louder than words, and you've never witnessed a single action by me.


True, but that is why when I offered my "advice"/ "criticism" it was done honestly though harshly, from the place where "I" am at. Though biased by my own issues, it was still offered with the same intent to aide and not flame. And if you have read much of my posts you would know that this was not an attack.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')"Selfish"? Do you know me well enough to know that I am that? You've never even met me.


Without a doubt I do not know you enough. I also think a certain amount of selfishness is a good thing (self preservation etc) and a certain amount is genetic (procreation). I think this word has (thanks to certain fundamentalist elements) gotten badly skewed and been given a bad name.

However, it is still the only real means by which to explain what I was trying to get at. And I did appologize for the harshness, that was not what I intended but language in this kind of format is limitiing. So again I applogize, I did not mean to insult, or hurt or demean.

Frankly, I am surprised you didn't get your ears branded and handed back to you for such a callous statement. But it just goes to show how acceptable in todays society to treat others like a comodity.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uote:

*pedophilia stuff*

I think that's a seperate issue from what we were discussing.


Not in a lot of peoples eyes and that ignorance is something that would be very hard to overcome in a country whose general intelligence was low enough to elect Bush TWICE. I mean seriously, what do you expect?

And that is also why in my post I emphasize taht only by knowing heineken would he successfully get past that barrier. But that does not seem to be important to him.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 05:47:51

PMS wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ood luck and I hope things turn out well for you Heineken. If worst comes to worst you could just become an alcoholic! Just kidding, hang in there, buddy.


And whats wrong with becoming an alcoholic. I remember when I was dumped by a previous girlfriend. I took it real bad. However, I can say with all truth that the drink got me through it. For example, one morning I woke up in bed with a girl I had fancied for ages with no recollection of having met her or how I got there. If I had been sober, I wouldn't even have had the nerve to chat her up. It was all uphill from there. As they say, the only thing that will get you over the last girl is the next girl.

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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 14:21:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') think you need a vacation and an adventure, regardless of the relationship stuff. I hope you can take one soon. Why not go on a tour and meet people from here you like? You'd be welcome to stop by our place, for example. Or go to one of the countries that's been discussed in this thread, plan an interesting vacation, and just see what happens. There's got to be something you can do to help get you out of this funk.


Thank you Shanny.

I can't get away for more than two or three days, max, because I have a neurotic elderly mother and a psychotic dog that are utterly dependent on me.

That's part of the general mix of my dilemma.

I'm stuck here, alone.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 14:25:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'G')ood luck and I hope things turn out well for you Heineken. If worst comes to worst you could just become an alcoholic! :) Just kidding, hang in there, buddy. As for the bisexual scene, I think it relates to that split into two distinct brain centers of sexuality. One is geared to long-term relationships and another completely distinct part is geared to one night stands. No kidding, researchers have identified them. Don't ask me how. The bisexual threesome scene is most certainly geared to the brief encounters part of the brain and not, from what you say, for you. I read what Ludi said, but I don't think that is likely to be really true, more likely just a come-on and cover.


I agree.

I have no interest whatsoever in the bisexual scene, at least certainly not from a relationship perspective. I'm the monogamous type.

I'm tired of labels.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 14:26:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'P')MS wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ood luck and I hope things turn out well for you Heineken. If worst comes to worst you could just become an alcoholic! Just kidding, hang in there, buddy.


And whats wrong with becoming an alcoholic. I remember when I was dumped by a previous girlfriend. I took it real bad. However, I can say with all truth that the drink got me through it. For example, one morning I woke up in bed with a girl I had fancied for ages with no recollection of having met her or how I got there. If I had been sober, I wouldn't even have had the nerve to chat her up. It was all uphill from there. As they say, the only thing that will get you over the last girl is the next girl.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life.
George Bernard Shaw


There are worse ways to go than through drink.

I'm drinking somewhat more, and I'd say it helps more than it hurts. The key is control.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 18:33:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he bisexual threesome scene


Not all bisexuals insist on a threesome. If a bisexual is looking for another bisexual, it may be because they don't expect acceptance from a non-bisexual. Many straights and homosexuals seem to mistrust bisexuals or even don't want to think they exist. "Oh you're really gay, you're just lying to yourself" they say, or "Oh, you're really straight, you're just going through a phase."
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 18:46:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')"Oh you're really gay, you're just lying to yourself" they say
That was Elton John's opinion as I recall. Anyway, Heineken has said what he thinks about that and this is a thread about his troubles and hopes. He's looking for a heterosexual relationship. I kind of agree with Aaron and Dino: why bother? All the more since he is isolated with a sick mom and a psychotic dog out in the boondocks. He could try a personals ad: Ex-gay good looking male 53yrs stuck with sick mom and psychotic dog in boondocks isolation seeks pretty young wife.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 18:51:08

OK, but he could possibly find a bisexual woman who is looking for a permanent relationship.. :(

See what I'm saying? :(

(Feel I am not being understood - at all) :(
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 18:55:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')(Feel I am not being understood - at all) :(
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 19:09:02

"Forsaking all others."

What is so hard about that? It's worked for me. 8O
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Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 07 Feb 2009, 23:12:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '"')Forsaking all others."

What is so hard about that? It's worked for me. 8O


You know that scene in When Harry Met Sally when Carrie Fisher is in bed with Bruno Kirby. She turns her head and says something along the lines of "don't make me ever have to go back out there again" (out there being the rough and tumble world of dating). I so relate to that yearning. Who wants to put a lot of effort into building a relationship just to see if fizzle away?
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 00:25:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou know that scene in When Harry Met Sally when Carrie Fisher is in bed with Bruno Kirby. She turns her head and says something along the lines of "don't make me ever have to go back out there again" (out there being the rough and tumble world of dating). I so relate to that yearning. Who wants to put a lot of effort into building a relationship just to see if fizzle away?


I relate to that too, but come to the opposite conclusion. If *out there* is so bad, wouldn't you rather spend *a little time* out there than *all your time*?

And, not all relationships fizzle. And beyond that, if the people are sufficiently committed, the effort can be made early in the relationship (before there is too much potential heartache) to talk things out and minimize the chance of it fizzling later.

With the way the future looks now, that seems smart to me. The slide down the other side of the PO curve will definitely be easier when one is part of a partnership and of a community. There is no reason to abandon the idea of finding/developing those things just because "it's awkward."
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 03:11:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '
')I relate to that too, but come to the opposite conclusion. If *out there* is so bad, wouldn't you rather spend *a little time* out there than *all your time*?


I interpreted "out there" to mean the stress involved in the dating process. I didn't take it to mean the pain of being alone per se. So according to that definition, if you just don't date, you aren't "out there" either.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '
')And, not all relationships fizzle. And beyond that, if the people are sufficiently committed, the effort can be made early in the relationship (before there is too much potential heartache) to talk things out and minimize the chance of it fizzling later.


It tends not to work out that predictably, though. Best laid plans of mice and men often go astray. If someone is hypersensitive to rejection, it might be better not to get involved.

Remember that doom awareness issues is a HEAVY emotional burden as it is. A lot of us here are already having to cope with the anxiety one day at a time. To stack relationship drama on top is really an unneeded distraction.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 10:25:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'O')K, but he could possibly find a bisexual woman who is looking for a permanent relationship.. :(

See what I'm saying? :(

(Feel I am not being understood - at all) :(


I understand you, Ludi, and I agree with you.

I'm considering this option---just being up front about it in the ad. But it will greatly whittle down the responses, and there are precious few of those as it is.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 10:30:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') can't get away for more than two or three days, max, because I have a neurotic elderly mother and a psychotic dog that are utterly dependent on me.

I do understand. Is there no way your brother or someone could stay with your mom for a week or 2, and you could board the psychotic dog? We had a fear aggressive dog who was pretty nuts, and we were able to find a place that was willing to take care of her while we were away. She wasn't happy, of course, but she would have been less happy in the long run if we had gone bonkers from isolation.


No one can stand my mom, especially my brother.

Yeah, my dog is exactly like that. Fear-aggressive. I'm the only thing standing between her and death. She's hooked to me at the hip. Just totally emotionally dependent. She was a pound puppy and she never really changed since then, despite some efforts by me at socialization. Just taking her to the vet is a serious trauma for everyone involved.

No, there's no way my brother could come down from Boston and do that, Shanny.

And I don't have any local friends. None.

I know. I'm a mess. Sometimes I really do feel like scraping up the scrapable assets and running away.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 11:07:03

Ok I'm convinced... you're gonna die miserable & alone.

So... how about that economy eh?
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Byron100 » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 11:25:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') can't get away for more than two or three days, max, because I have a neurotic elderly mother and a psychotic dog that are utterly dependent on me.

I do understand. Is there no way your brother or someone could stay with your mom for a week or 2, and you could board the psychotic dog? We had a fear aggressive dog who was pretty nuts, and we were able to find a place that was willing to take care of her while we were away. She wasn't happy, of course, but she would have been less happy in the long run if we had gone bonkers from isolation.


No one can stand my mom, especially my brother.

Yeah, my dog is exactly like that. Fear-aggressive. I'm the only thing standing between her and death. She's hooked to me at the hip. Just totally emotionally dependent. She was a pound puppy and she never really changed since then, despite some efforts by me at socialization. Just taking her to the vet is a serious trauma for everyone involved.

No, there's no way my brother could come down from Boston and do that, Shanny.

And I don't have any local friends. None.

I know. I'm a mess. Sometimes I really do feel like scraping up the scrapable assets and running away.


I don't see why your brother gets to shirk all responsibility to look after your mother, when you're the one that's taking care of her 24/7/365. Is it really too much to ask him to stay with her one or two weeks out of each year so you can get away from the homestead? If anything, he owes you an all-expense paid trip to Hawaii for all the work and hardship you've put yourself through in the past couple of years in regard to your parents....lol.

Not sure what to say about the dog - do they have meds for dogs like that to make them calmer, especially if you have a desire to take her with you on a road trip or leave her with someone, etc? Please excuse my ignorance on this...I haven't had a dog since the age of 12. :/

As for the dating scene, it really is one of the most stressful activities that a person can subject themselves to in this modern, competitive era. If I was in your situation, I couldn't even fathom of attempting to hook up with someone from the personals or whatever - just one or two rejections would be the emotional death of me. I still stand by my earlier suggestion of putting that on the backburner, for a few months at least, while you work on stabilizing your own mental state of being.

Heck, if I see Mt Everest standing in the way of where I'm trying to go, I'll just frickin' go around it....LOL. I'd much rather get there the slow and easy way then to take on a challenge that has a high risk of failure. But then again, that's just me...so don't take me too seriously on this...hehe.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Micki » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 23:44:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'S')o here I am single again, and 53. I'm in very good physical shape, however, and look ten years younger than my age.

I have money, and there are millions of attractive but desperately poor women the world 'round.

Meeting and coping with American women can be extremely difficult. They tend to have unreasonable or unfair expectations and demands. They tend to hold my age against me and my difficult history.

Sometimes I think, why don't I just fly to one of those "developing" countries, hang out, and meet and carefully court an innocent, gentle, HIV-free native, marry her and bring her back to the farm. Say a $10,000 operation.

Crazy? Maybe.

What would be the best countries? Any race is fine. Obviously the things to avoid are golddiggers, getting murdered or ripped off, etc. Potentially hazardous.


There are nice girs everywhere. Often the grass however seems greener on the other side and ethnic differences can actually help to make it more interesting.
Just don't count on the bride not being a gold digger. Many of them are very skilled. Especially if you get a young pretty one your head will be spinning so much you don't know what happend when she suddenly demands half of everything.
So to avoid focusing on potential downsides, can I suggest
1) pre-nup and
2) put what ever you can in a trust with you as trustee. (personal trustee ship is probably better than company in this case as company shares can be fought for.)


Regarding going to a a country looking for your bride....expect to spend a fair bit of time. First you need to find the right one, then you need to get to know each other, then date, then get family acceptance....
Anything fast tracking that process means they are a bit "easy" which makes their motives somewhat questionable.
Also, don't have illusions. Many of them can be loving but the priority for them is a better life for themselves and their families. Love can grow out of that but keep your head straight so that you don't get disappointed.
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