[Cid_Yama]

Bush Administration violated the Contitutional protections of all Americans - Monitored <b>all</b> communications.

link

[Denny]

Interesting show title, "Countdown". Just how many days until Mr. Obama can distance himself from this inaugural day thank you to Bush for his "service to the nation" to engage in a prosecution? I would not hold my breath on this one.

Presidents have not been noted for going after predecessors, except to use their legacy as an excuse for the present troubles they face.

[Ludi]

I would not bet on it. I don't expect prosecutions to go forward.

[Voice_du_More]

Now you know why statistics in the wrong hands can kill. I recall at some point thinking that such an effort would be helpful in the efforts, but I did not mean using it as a political weapon, or dragging in everyone in the country. Clearly we have by default expectation that the gubberment will have some data collection and anlysis involved in performing it's duties. I quickly realized after Iraq that the Bush Admin was no longer concerned with what was right, only with what seemed expedient to them. I intend to petition the President to pull back the covers. I am almost certain Cid that most of us on this site are on a list and have been approached (with or without our knowledge) under these new FBI rules. Did you know, they can come into your life without your knowledge and scretly befriend your friends and family with the intent of spying on you. That is covert activity authorized against American citizens in the form of a dragnet, probably without evidence or a court order. I think the well is very deep and alot of families are going to be fragmented by the truth if it ever makes it to light.

Hand the stupid a diamond and they try to eat it.

More to the OP, I think if we ever see how ugly it got, Bush will consider house arrest in Crawford for the rest of his life an acceptable proposal.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', ' ')Did you know, they can come into your life without your knowledge and scretly befriend your friends and family with the intent of spying on you.

[Voice_du_More]

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[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', '
')You are probably on their payroll sweetheart.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', 'D')o not be deceived, if you seek out darkness evil will find you. Proverbs

[Rob0126]

Folks, you know everything anyone does to get media attention is for some agenda. Remember the old saying, divide and conquer.

[seldom_seen]

Yeah, I'll believe this when they start investigating Hank Paulson for insider trading or when a leprechaun riding a unicorn emerges from my butt.

[Fishman]

This is so easy.

Obama joins Senate vote to legitimize Bush’s domestic spying operation
By Bill Van Auken
10 July 2008

The Democratic Party’s presumptive presidential nominee voted Wednesday afternoon with a majority of the US Senate to pass legislation vastly expanding the government’s power to carry out warrantless wiretapping and electronic surveillance, while handing blanket retroactive immunity to telecommunications

[Voice_du_More]

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')You are probably on their payroll sweetheart.

[centralstump]

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[Tyler_JC]

1. Try not to create a thread with just one word in the OP. It's bad for the website and prevents discussion.

2. Keith Olbermann hates Bush. Always has, always will. If Bush sees a single night in jail, I'm the queen of England. We do not arrest former presidents regardless of what they do.

[PrestonSturges]

there are 2 parts to this problem.

First there is the revelation that Bush actively spied on and intimidated the press. He spent billions on these programs, while wailing like Palin that everyone was so unfair to him. The press will bury him, and that's just payback for pure stupidity on W's part.

The second part is that the one issue that the GOP seems to be rallying around is torture and detention, which won Rudy exactly ONE delegate in 2008. And torture is a big broom that inevitably gets used against the innocent (remember Salem?) many of whom die, so you've got the GOP uniting on the issue of torturing random innocent people to death. Who's the terrorists again?

[Plantagenet]

The dems were too cowardly to impeach Bush, but you think that they are going to somehow find the courage to arrest and jail Bush?

Dream on, little dudes.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'Y')eah, I'll believe this when they start investigating Hank Paulson for insider trading or when a leprechaun riding a unicorn emerges from my butt.

[Quinny]

Cid you got my hopes up or a minute. Tease .

RE I hope you're right, and think it might even happen, shouldn't you be getting your application to sit on the jury in now?

A couple of years ago I would have said no way anything will happen. Last year changed all that.

[ReverseEngineer]

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RE I hope you're right, and think it might even happen, shouldn't you be getting your application to sit on the jury in now?

[Mesuge]

Well, to a certain degree and in a way this might be just another replay of the 1970s. What we have learned from the investigations then: government lied, spied, assassinated domestic and foreign leaders, sold drugs, traded with enemies, among other things. The juicy stuff from the closed sessions of these investigations published after 1990s only but confirmed and expanded on the material.

However, in effect the situation in last 20yrs only worsened, the screws were tightened, public discourse is more trivialized, public is getting more apathic..

The only hope is and here I agree with Orlov's analysis, that the Obama team will effectively perform Gorbatchev - Perestroika style stunt, with the end result of furthering collapse of institutions and economy of the state.

And after that period the avenues of history are open for quite a ride!