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THE Matthew Simmons Thread pt 3 (merged)

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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 00:11:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'I') think oil should be able to stealth it's way back over $60 before a lot of people pay any attention.
Secondly, I think appreciations will be welcomed in mainstream media as they will perceive it as a sign that the economy is recovering.


BINGO! Notice how lately you dont see Kudlow on CNBC talking about "Mustard Seeds" anymore? Its interesting that with any perception that the economy may respond to this ridiculous stimulus package oil reacts. I'm beginning to think we may have sold out most of the crazy speculative market, at least until oil gets toppy again. I can easily see us passing 50 and moving towards 60 with any positive stimulus news or some small glitch in ME affairs.

Oil is up almost 20 dollars over its lows from about three weeks ago. Funny how its almost completely a non story when its back on the way up, but every dollar it shed on the way down was HUGE news.

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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 17:40:57

Speaking of bailout, did anyone see this deliciously ridiculous story?

Adult Entertainment 'Stimulus' Package
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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 18:04:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zero-point', ' ') However there are a few people who create "artificial wealth". That artificial wealth is called derivatives and they cause bubbles and bursting bubbles which create major economic crisis.


That artificial wealth is also called inflated asset values, like home prices. That bubble was created by average Americans thinking their homes as forever growing in value to power the refi-ATM.
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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby bratticus » Wed 21 Jan 2009, 18:30:23

Regarding "paper barrels"...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]BP Global Indicator Margin

... skip ...

For definition purposes, according to BP, "GIMs are simplified regional refining margin indicators based upon a generic refinery configuration, simplified product yields and a single 'marker' crude oil deemed appropriate for the region (e.g. Brent for Europe, WTS for the USGC and ANS for the USWC)."

... snip ...
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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby Barrie » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 10:05:44

[smilie=5sonar.gif] Hi,
This is my first post on this site and want to commend the designers/moderators and particpants on one of the best places for finding up to date info on energy, environment, economics as well as oil.

An interesting slide show by Matt. I think he is totally right about the impending price hike for oil. A large number of investment firms seem to agree with him too given the big disparity between prices for current and future oil contracts and the number of tankers floating about with oil scheduled to be delivered this time next year.

We are in the middle of the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression and will almost certainly exceed it, but this one is different. Suddenly we have oil supply constraints as a ceiling for any recovery. Hence we can expect prices to rise again sharply once the economy starts to recover. Given the size of the credit black hole this could still be some years off as the economy goes through its natural sprial of falling assett prices, bankruptcy and unemployment.

However, now that the US, UK and now Europian Governments are resorting to printing money to try to stem deflation, I think we shall see this money finding its way to scarce or critical commodities such as oil, water and, ultimately food. While prices may not reach those of 2008 for some time they will get high enough to snuff out any spark of a recovery. Add to this an eventual collapse in the US dollar (resulting from a loss of confidence in the US's ability to pay up combined with a decision by China to jump off the US reserve currency ship) and we have a potential explosion in US$ oil prices.

Thus, I think we are likely to see a bumpy ride over the next few years from bust to partial recovery to bust again until a) oil production and climate change together force us into a terminal decline or b) we get our act together enough to massively improve energy efficiency and developing renewable energy sources.
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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 10:15:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barrie', 'T')his is my first post on this site


BZZT!

http://www.peakoil.com/post334667.html#334667

http://www.peakoil.com/post334651.html#334651

Hi, I'm Bratticus and this is my first post too. :P :razz: :P
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Re: New Simmons slideshow on PO and economic collapse

Unread postby Barrie » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 19:11:08

Crumbs Braticus, I'd completely forgotten about those posts I did years ago. Thanks for reminding me!

Maybe I should have said "this is my first post peak oil post on this site"!
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The Matthew Simmons Thread

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 18:45:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'I')t should be posted here as well in a few hours for those not wanting or able to stay up till 12:30 am.


All diehard peakoilers will gladly stay awake for Matthew R. Simmons.
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 19:08:53

Did they bring him on to make fun of him ?
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 19:29:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'I')t should be posted here as well in a few hours for those not wanting or able to stay up till 12:30 am.


All diehard peakoilers will gladly stay awake for Matthew R. Simmons.


Peak Oil isn't a cult. I can live just fine without seeing Simmons' mug on the tube.
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby cualcrees » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 19:55:54

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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby Maddog78 » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 20:54:11

Good interview.
The host is worried people can't understand what they are talking about.
Isn't this a financial show?
Funny but sad.
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 23:21:43

did he appear to have been drinking tonight?
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby truecougarblue » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 23:22:22

Simmons couldn't be more right, and the two commodities gurus on the show agreed with him.

At the risk of talking my own book, and IMHO, I'd say that USO 65 strike Jan;10 calls are money in the bank at $.055/contract. Those contract could easily hit $5-10.

You'll need that extra cash when a loaf of bread costs $35.
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Sat 14 Feb 2009, 02:59:52

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Aus ... ouston.pdf

Matthew :(

100 trillion dollars to replace aging oil industry infrastructure? Face facts, its time to get out of the oil business and become a pastor. This all by itself is an Armageddon. And going back and saying that $157 and $4 gas did not hurt the American economy is nonsense. Everything we are facing now has been brewing for a very long time. It all rises out of a certain worldview, true, but look, oil peaked in 2005 and under two years of still decent pricing no more oil (significant amounts that is) was online or in the development pipeline. The world will never produce more than 100 mbpd, not more than 90 mbpd, tar sands, and gas-to-liquids, it's all EROEI death-paste.

I admire you alot Matt, but you need to give 'em the straight junk. Tell them to sell it all and learn how to pray. No amount of money made will matter when 40,000 thousand refugees from Houston start banding together and staging attacks on the ship channel. Somali piracy, Nigerian unrest,... your own presentation tells the story.

It's Over!

In only a few short years the birth pangs of a completely new (old) world will be upon us and no modern nation will be able to stave off the change. They will try with all their tanks and guns and might, and that is going to make life on earth really suck for a while maybe a long while. The knock out punch has been delivered, now comes the slow-motion footage of the fall to the floor complete with slobber flying as head finally meets ground .

Sorry buddy. There will not be a million new petroleum geologists. And BTW, credit default swaps did not create the oil crash, a 7.8% decline in demand did that, and that was set up for us by Mr. Greedspan on behalf of his Master.

You gotta wake up people. You do not want to live near a major city when this goes down. The weak are not just going to be in danger, they are going to be on the menu.

As I must say to all now, there is safety in Jesus, trust in Him, call out to Him. I'm not kidding, if you can hear the sound of my voice, or if you find this post on a dilapidated Internet in some futurescape, hold on tight, He is coming soon.
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Re: Matt Simmons on Fast Money-CNBC

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 14 Feb 2009, 03:13:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'G')ood interview.
The host is worried people can't understand what they are talking about.
Isn't this a financial show?
Funny but sad.


Emphasis on "show." I love the related videos on these things:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Can I Afford It? 2 hrs ago

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Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 26 Mar 2009, 14:07:03

I'm going to post this thread and link the article for the purposes of revisiting it in 3-6 months.
Matt said on March 26: http://www.cnbc.com/id/29891917
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Matt Simmons', '&')quot;We are three, six, maybe nine months away from a price shock. We are not talking about three to five years away -- it will be much sooner," Simmons told Reuters in London.

And for the record, as I write this oil is about $53 on the NYMEX.
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Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 26 Mar 2009, 14:12:59

Matt better be careful about sticking his neck out again after what he said last time about $300 oil. If he racks up two or three bad calls he is going to be written off as a complete laughing stock if he isn't already.
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Re: Matt Simmons: We're 3-6 months away from an oil price shock

Unread postby Gerben » Thu 26 Mar 2009, 14:16:52

Just for the record: he expects an upward price shock.
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