This rabble you're talking about, they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath?
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Re: Sometimes the "TRUTH" hurts!
by Cid_Yama » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 00:54:30
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry
The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
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Re: Sometimes the "TRUTH" hurts!
by RdSnt » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 03:05:00
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Did you read the whole thing, or only the first couple of sentences?
Do you really thnk a couple making $50,000 a year should be living in a $485,000 house?
Free enterprise created these situations.
Do you really think a forklift driver working for the "big 3" is worth $85,000 a year?
You mean the guy that worked for 30 years to get that level of pay? Which means his wages kind of kept up with inflation?
Do you really think there are a lot of houses in florida worth $750,000?
Again, free enterprise provided the unfettered explosion in prices.
That people that jump the border deserve free health care, while folks like me, who have worked all their lives, and are now unemployed due to circumstances beyond their control, have none?
You have the same access to public health as any illegal immigrant. Better yet, you could be working just like them. You are against union labour, so you should be quite happy working along side the wetbacks.
That wally-world can stock their shelves with "s--t" from china and profit from it?
Then stop buying at Walmart.
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Did you read the whole thing, or only the first couple of sentences?
Do you really thnk a couple making $50,000 a year should be living in a $485,000 house?
Free enterprise created these situations.
Do you really think a forklift driver working for the "big 3" is worth $85,000 a year?
You mean the guy that worked for 30 years to get that level of pay? Which means his wages kind of kept up with inflation?
Do you really think there are a lot of houses in florida worth $750,000?
Again, free enterprise provided the unfettered explosion in prices.
That people that jump the border deserve free health care, while folks like me, who have worked all their lives, and are now unemployed due to circumstances beyond their control, have none?
You have the same access to public health as any illegal immigrant. Better yet, you could be working just like them. You are against union labour, so you should be quite happy working along side the wetbacks.
That wally-world can stock their shelves with "s--t" from china and profit from it?
Then stop buying at Walmart.
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Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie.
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Re: Sometimes the "TRUTH" hurts!
by TWilliam » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 03:47:17
BRILLIANT.
When I first began working as an auto mechanic back in the early 80s, I started out at a GM dealership. One of the first tasks you usually learn in a dealership shop is a 'Pre-Delivery Inspection' of vehicles newly arrived from the manufacturing facility, which included things like removing dust covering from upholstery, making sure all the lights and switches functioned, checking fluid levels and tire pressure, etc.
I was absolutely appalled by the evidence I saw in virtually EVERY truckload of vehicles that hit the lot of either apparent ineptitude, disinterest in, or outright hostility toward delivering a quality product. Misaligned doors, trunks and hoods; sh!tty paint jobs including primer showing through at times; clamps, fasteners, covers, trim etc. either missing or unsecured; deliberate sabotage such as beer bottles or tools inside doors or body panels (people hate rattles in new cars), or purposefully shorted wiring. To this day I still remember one electrical issue that gave one of the techs fits for a couple of days. Eventually his troubleshooting lead him into pulling down the steering column, and scratched into the paint on the inside of one of the column anchor brackets were the words "What the f`ck are you looking here for?" (I kid you not.) The problem was eventually tracked down to a pair of crossed wires under the passenger side dashboard.
I also got to know one of the lead techs pretty well, and he told me stories about touring the plants up in Michigan when he was sent there for continuing training, about meeting a lot of the UAW folks. He said they were mostly a bunch of alcoholics and junkies. Said he saw people more than once shooting up while on breaks or drinking on the line.
I won't even get into the crappy engineering and sh*t quality materials I saw first hand on a daily basis while working on vehicles. I left after about three months, went to work for a Toyota dealership and never looked back. They do Pre-delivery Inspections too, and in ten years with them I never once saw ANY of that kind of crap with their vehicles.
People wonder why the Japs have kicked our @sses in automotive for 30 years. I don't wonder, at all. I know why. And the really sad thing? We taught them how...
When I first began working as an auto mechanic back in the early 80s, I started out at a GM dealership. One of the first tasks you usually learn in a dealership shop is a 'Pre-Delivery Inspection' of vehicles newly arrived from the manufacturing facility, which included things like removing dust covering from upholstery, making sure all the lights and switches functioned, checking fluid levels and tire pressure, etc.
I was absolutely appalled by the evidence I saw in virtually EVERY truckload of vehicles that hit the lot of either apparent ineptitude, disinterest in, or outright hostility toward delivering a quality product. Misaligned doors, trunks and hoods; sh!tty paint jobs including primer showing through at times; clamps, fasteners, covers, trim etc. either missing or unsecured; deliberate sabotage such as beer bottles or tools inside doors or body panels (people hate rattles in new cars), or purposefully shorted wiring. To this day I still remember one electrical issue that gave one of the techs fits for a couple of days. Eventually his troubleshooting lead him into pulling down the steering column, and scratched into the paint on the inside of one of the column anchor brackets were the words "What the f`ck are you looking here for?" (I kid you not.) The problem was eventually tracked down to a pair of crossed wires under the passenger side dashboard.
I also got to know one of the lead techs pretty well, and he told me stories about touring the plants up in Michigan when he was sent there for continuing training, about meeting a lot of the UAW folks. He said they were mostly a bunch of alcoholics and junkies. Said he saw people more than once shooting up while on breaks or drinking on the line.
I won't even get into the crappy engineering and sh*t quality materials I saw first hand on a daily basis while working on vehicles. I left after about three months, went to work for a Toyota dealership and never looked back. They do Pre-delivery Inspections too, and in ten years with them I never once saw ANY of that kind of crap with their vehicles.
People wonder why the Japs have kicked our @sses in automotive for 30 years. I don't wonder, at all. I know why. And the really sad thing? We taught them how...
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Re: Sometimes the "TRUTH" hurts!
by TWilliam » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 03:55:54
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '[')b]Free enterprise created these situations.
No, it did not. Greed and dishonesty, coupled with a deck stacked to encourage both, is what created them. That is the antithesis of free enterprise.
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Re: Sometimes the "TRUTH" hurts!
by Concerned » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 04:12:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')his rabble you're talking about, they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath?
- George Bailey, <i>It's a Wonderful Life</i>
- George Bailey, <i>It's a Wonderful Life</i>
Did you read the whole thing, or only the first couple of sentences?
Do you really thnk a couple making $50,000 a year should be living in a $485,000 house?
Do you really think a forklift driver working for the "big 3" is worth $85,000 a year?
Worth closer to $85000 than what the bankers and brokers are paying themselves for nothing but speculation.
Are bankers that destroy companies really worth 20-40 or more million to pat goodbye on the back?
Do you really think a project manager is worth $250,000 per year?
Do you really think someone working in a Chinese iPod or Nike factory is only worth $2 per day??
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')Do you really think there are a lot of houses in florida worth $750,000?
Instead of looking at a mere number it would be best served to see how much the average wage is compared to living expenses, food, taxes, clothing etc..
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')That people that jump the border deserve free health care, while folks like me, who have worked all their lives, and are now unemployed due to circumstances beyond their control, have none?
Why do you have none? A good Capitalist should have some capital saved certainly enough to see out at MINIMUM 12months if not 18 to 24 months. On a trimmed budget e.g. no eating out, no holidays, cut cell phone use, cut cable tv, no more movies, no more dvd rental. You know CLAMP down.
YOU'RE the PROBLEM. You bash UNIONS that distribute a few breadcrumbs to workers, barely raise any WHISPER about welfare and largess for the RICH 8.5 Trillion in bailout money about 2.5 Trillion used so far, yet you do NOTHING for yourself when you are employed.
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')That wally-world can stock their shelves with "s--t" from china and profit from it?
Go to your home and take a good stock of what is on YOUR SHELVES from China.
Any fool can sack American workers earning $800 per week and make money paying a peasant $14 per week on Labor arbitrage. And keep the whole scheme running by loaning Americans easy money on the hope one day they can pay it off...
Please WAKE UP!!!
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')I suggset you read it again, especially the response from Gregory Knox, PRESIDENT of KNOX MACHINERY, which supples the auto industry.
