[Munqi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'Y')ou mean psuedostinians. They do not exist. There never was a palestinian Kingdom or King. It is a loony media creation. They are Arab castouts from Arab nations. Their own people do not want them so they covet what Israel has created. Yawn.

[kam3Oen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o are you suggesting the land belongs to Israel? Rolling Eyes

They covet what Israel stole from them.

[Jotapay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQyIKyd2gqA

Note that it is of course not on American television, but on Korean TV.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'h')ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQyIKyd2gqA

Note that it is of course not on American television, but on Korean TV.

[coloncleanse]

If this were true it would have been shown on faux news.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')o me, this is all you need to see about the lengths the Israelis are going through to avoid killing civilians.

[mos6507]

Try something a little more recent:

Lessons Learned

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Role-Playing

In the model city, troops played the roles of civilians, the enemy, the media and soldiers, according to Leibovitz, who described the exercises. Electronic-sensor vests were worn so commanders could monitor reaction and behavior, she added.

“We train forces so they can operate without targeting civilians,” Leibovitz said. In the Gaza attacks, the army also calls ahead to people in buildings the air force intends to hit to minimize civilian fatalities, she said.

[Borokrom]

Top 5 Lies About Israel’s Assault on Gaza by Jeremy R. Hammond / January 3rd, 2009:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/t ... out-israel’s-assault-on-gaza/
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated pieces of property in the world. The presence of militants within a civilian population does not, under international law, deprive that population of their protected status, and hence any assault upon that population under the guise of targeting militants is, in fact, a war crime. ... --snip--

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[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Borokrom', '[')b]Top 5 Lies About Israel’s Assault on Gaza
by Jeremy R. Hammond / January 3rd, 2009
FONTE:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/t ... out-israel’s-assault-on-gaza/

Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.

The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated pieces of property in the world. The presence of militants within a civilian population does not, under international law, deprive that population of their protected status, and hence any assault upon that population under the guise of targeting militants is, in fact, a war crime.

Moreover, the people Israel claims are legitimate targets are members of Hamas, which Israel says is a terrorist organization. Hamas has been responsible for firing rockets into Israel. These rockets are extremely inaccurate and thus, even if Hamas intended to hit military targets within Israel, are indiscriminate by nature. When rockets from Gaza kill Israeli civilians, it is a war crime.

Hamas has a military wing. However, it is not entirely a military organization, but a political one. Members of Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. Dozens of these elected leaders have been kidnapped and held in Israeli prisons without charge. Others have been targeted for assassination, such as Nizar Rayan, a top Hamas official. To kill Rayan, Israel targeted a residential apartment building. The strike not only killed Rayan but two of his wives and four of his children, along with six others. There is no justification for such an attack under international law. This was a war crime.

Other of Israel’s bombardment with protected status under international law have included a mosque, a prison, police stations, and a university, in addition to residential buildings.

Moreover, Israel has long held Gaza under siege, allowing only the most minimal amounts of humanitarian supplies to enter. Israel is bombing and killing Palestinian civilians. Countless more have been wounded, and cannot receive medical attention. Hospitals running on generators have little or no fuel. Doctors have no proper equipment or medical supplies to treat the injured. These people, too, are the victims of Israeli policies targeted not at Hamas or legitimate military targets, but directly designed to punish the civilian population.

Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.

Israel never observed the cease-fire to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law.

Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others.

Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response by militants to the Israeli attacks.

Israel’s actions, including its violation of the cease-fire, predictably resulted in an escalation of rocket attacks against its own population.

Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.

There has been no evidence that Hamas has used human shields. The fact is, as previously noted, Gaza is a small piece of property that is densely populated. Israel engages in indiscriminate warfare such as the assassination of Nizar Rayan, in which members of his family were also murdered. It is victims like his dead children that Israel defines as “human shields” in its propaganda. There is no legitimacy for this interpretation under international law. In circumstances such as these, Hamas is not using human shields, Israel is committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Conventions and other applicable international law.

Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.

The populations of those Arab countries are outraged at Israel’s actions and at their own governments for not condemning Israel’s assault and acting to end the violence. Simply stated, the Arab governments do not represent their respective Arab populations. The populations of the Arab nations have staged mass protests in opposition to not only Israel’s actions but also the inaction of their own governments and what they view as either complacency or complicity in Israel’s crimes.

Moreover, the refusal of Arab nations to take action to come to the aid of the Palestinians is not because they agree with Israel’s actions, but because they are submissive to the will of the US, which fully supports Israel. Egypt, for instance, which refused to open the border to allow Palestinians wounded in the attacks to get medical treatment in Egyptian hospitals, is heavily dependent upon US aid, and is being widely criticized within the population of the Arab countries for what is viewed as an absolute betrayal of the Gaza Palestinians.

Even Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been regarded as a traitor to his own people for blaming Hamas for the suffering of the people of Gaza. Palestinians are also well aware of Abbas’ past perceived betrayals in conniving with Israel and the US to sideline the democratically elected Hamas government, culminating in a counter-coup by Hamas in which it expelled Fatah (the military wing of Abbas’ Palestine Authority) from the Gaza Strip. While his apparent goal was to weaken Hamas and strengthen his own position, the Palestinians and other Arabs in the Middle East are so outraged at Abbas that it is unlikely he will be able to govern effectively.

Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.

Israel claims it sent radio and telephone text messages to residents of Gaza warning them to flee from the coming bombardment. But the people of Gaza have nowhere to flee to. They are trapped within the Gaza Strip. It is by Israeli design that they cannot escape across the border. It is by Israeli design that they have no food, water, or fuel by which to survive. It is by Israeli design that hospitals in Gaza have no electricity and few medical supplies with which to treat the injured and save lives. And Israel has bombed vast areas of Gaza, targeting civilian infrastructure and other sites with protected status under international law. No place is safe within the Gaza Strip.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')o me, this is all you need to see about the lengths the Israelis are going through to avoid killing civilians.

[smallpoxgirl]

I kinda doubt that girl is a Palestinian. More likely she's an American with International Solidarity Movement or something. If she was Palestinian, he would have just shot her.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') kinda doubt that girl is a Palestinian. More likely she's an American with International Solidarity Movement or something. If she was Palestinian, he would have just shot her.

[Plantagenet]

The whole thing is staged. Its a fake.

The same camera man shoots footage amoungst the Palestinians and then suddenly is standing next to Israeli soliders? Did he teleport?

The fake "Israelis" in the propaganda film NEVER turn to look at the camera even though a camera man is supposedly filming them from a few feet away during a long confrontation with the girl? People ALWAYS look at a camera that is filming them, unless they are actors playing a role.

The brave little Palestinian girl speaks perfect English but the Israelis don't?

Not very likely. Its obviously phoney, but sadly most leftists are gullible enough to believe anything they see on YouTube.

[Jotapay]

The explosions are faked? It was obviously filmed by a pro crew, but completely faked?

[Plantagenet]

Its a pastiche of various film segments. IMHO, the central segment with the girl is staged. Some of the other footage may be legit and appears to have filmed at one or more confrontations during the second intifada which lasted from 2001-2005, but this is used only to set up the phony main propaganda footage with the "Palestinian" girl..

[Jotapay]

I'm just curious, so you are an expert on intifada footage or something?

[AirlinePilot]

I gotta agree with Plant here. Something just doesn't look right with the way they treat the girl. Im guessing if she was really Palestinian they would have beat her and hauled her away at a minimum. Especially If there really were threats there. Something looks fishy with that little fracas in the background towards the end also. I cant believe those soldiers would be just hanging around in the open like that if there were grenades/bombs going off just across that field. They barely react to it.

I kind of thought it funny when she remarks rather ignorantly "Your shooting at children?" Duh, those kiddies are wielding AK's and suicide bombs, or did she miss that in her briefing?

It might be real, but there is some slightly strange quality to it that makes me think otherwise.

[The_Virginian]

Either way you can see the thin rubber bullet cylinder attachment on the M4 (m16), and the colored tape to distinguish the mags as blank loads.

Still possibly lethal at close range...but the protesters they shot at were far enough to be "less than lethal".

No I don't think they would have killed her w/o the camera, thrashed her, yah maybe.

Girl maybe a Sephardi Jewish girl from NY...maybe not, does not look Arab. Possibly Temani Jewish. Israeli feminists have come out staunchly anti-Gaza incursion.

At about 1:30 the soldier was going to fire OVER her head when he stood on the boulder his point of Aim was MUCH higher than her.. ( at what??) so she raises her hands to block his aim.

Looks like Hebron from the rocky soil...and the hills in the background.

Looks like rainy weather WINTER, as in NOW...also every thing is GREEN (from winter rains)...the last Intifada was mostly in the Summer if I remember what I lived through.

[hermit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Borokrom', '[')b]Top 5 Lies About Israel’s Assault on Gaza by Jeremy R. Hammond / January 3rd, 2009:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/t ... out-israel’s-assault-on-gaza/

[Plantagenet]

Its phony.

Watch the extended bit with the girl and the actors playing the phony "IDF" soldiers---THEY NEVER LOOK AT THE CAMERA.

Real people look at movie cameras and camera teams who are filming them. In contrast, trained actors play their roles and don't look at the camera. These are actors in a propaganda film.