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Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 13:42:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'A')sk a government schooled Chinese if Tibet is rightfully controlled by the Chinese government.


We're not living in Tibet.

If you want to teach your kid your version of history in order to load your kid up with your preferred ideology, be my guest. Unfortunately in a public school system they have to handle history in a way that will never satisfy everyone.
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 13:49:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'A')sk a government schooled Chinese if Tibet is rightfully controlled by the Chinese government.
We're not living in Tibet.

Wow you effectively responded to my point there, Mos. Bombs away!
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:15:59

I'm not going to get into a debate about public vs private schools, although as a former teacher (turned stay at home mom for now), the "garbage in, garbage out" theory pretty much sums it up.

Back to the topic at hand. I just don't see how "The Plan" can be implemented in this day and age. (and I definately don't trust anything by the name of "The Plan") There are just too many variables.

1. Costs to run this program
2. Exclusions - pregnant women? women with children? expectant fathers? those with disabilities? ADHD? single parents? and on and on. The paperwork and gov't mess would be sky high to run this thing and for what benefit?
3. college students - is the university going to waive tuition for those 3 months for which you already paid and are enrolled?

Putting today's untrained civilian into a position for 3 months and expecting any kind of decent productive outcome is laughable.

I do think that today's citizens take our situation here in the US for granted, but we don't have the money for a program like this. Not to mention that it should be voluntary if at all.
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:19:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IgnoranceIsBliss', 'I') do think that today's citizens take our situation here in the US for granted, but we don't have the money for a program like this. Not to mention that it should be voluntary if at all.

What happens if you refuse? If they throw you in jail for refusing, is it a free country anymore?
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:28:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')hat happens if you refuse? If they throw you in jail for refusing, is it a free country anymore?

Why don't you wait and see before spinning all these nightmare scenarios?
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:32:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')hat happens if you refuse? If they throw you in jail for refusing, is it a free country anymore?
Why don't you wait and see before spinning all these nightmare scenarios?

Totally theoretical question on my part. I seriously doubt that this will happen, but there are people in power who obviously want something like this to be put in place. I just think it is unfeasible in the USA with our citizenry.
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:35:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')hat happens if you refuse? If they throw you in jail for refusing, is it a free country anymore?
Why don't you wait and see before spinning all these nightmare scenarios?

I think it's a valid question. If something is mandatory, what is the penalty for refusing?
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby Revi » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:39:13

I served my country for 6 years. What's 3 months?

I think they should bring back the CCC. I don't think it should be mandatory, but a little public service isn't such a bad thing.

It doesn't have to be military service.

Spend some time helping out some place.

It might even be fun.
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:49:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') served my country for 6 years. What's 3 months?

I think they should bring back the CCC. I don't think it should be mandatory, but a little public service isn't such a bad thing.

It doesn't have to be military service.

Spend some time helping out some place.

It might even be fun.


But voluntary.
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 15:42:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') served my country for 6 years. What's 3 months?


Its unrealistic is what it is. You know how many times the government puts a law in gets it past teh various legislative bodies only to change small parts. I'll bet you $100 that if that passes they will change the length of service.

It doesn't make sense to pay to train someone for 3 months. Hell boot camp is 12-18 weeks depending on what country you would serve.
So either this is just an excuse to make people work for free, or they will change the length of service once they rope you in. Or like the military is famous for, they will promise you a job as a fighter pilot and pressure the hell out of you to go into what they want you for.
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Re: Rahm Emanuels Involuntary Servitude "Plan"

Unread postby The_Virginian » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 01:00:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'T')his is likely just a first step to making the term longer... how many of your service men thought they were only going to Iraq for 6 months. and how many have done 2, 3 or even 4 tours now?

This could only be just the start of something more. It wouldn't make $$ sense otherwise.


Agreed.

We need mass Abstention from this "plan".
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