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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby dorlomin » Tue 23 Dec 2008, 15:21:14

This will require an act of parliment to change the law. It will face some oposition in the commons, a huge amount in the lords and may violate the Human Rights act of 1998, whats more it may also break the European Convention on Human Rights. It would also face a possible constitutional challange in the high court on the grounds it violates the principle that only the state can use violence and that a persons home is there sanctuary, although I am no expert on the UK constitution.

Its biggest obstacle is likely to be the press where the left and right wing newspapers will make hay over this law. With many middle class swing voters fearing there debts and there jobs, this is likely to be a big big vote loser. New Labour are probibly thick enough to go for it though.


The best defence against an overzealous bailif is not a gun. Its a strong local comunity, unless you plan to be at home 24/7.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby Schmuto » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 00:34:57

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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby Gorm » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 07:00:37

So, one can not bee free without weapons? Well, then you and I have a totally different weiw of what freedom is. Futher discussion is preatty pointless.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby nobodypanic » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 12:14:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'S')o, one can not bee free without weapons? Well, then you and I have a totally different weiw of what freedom is. Futher discussion is preatty pointless.

if you wanted a weapon, could you get one? would you be allowed? if not, then that's clearly an area where your freedom is checked.

but i agree w/you; there are different conceptions of freedom. it just so happens that in the states we have a long tradition of being armed.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby miles392 » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 12:30:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'S')o, one can not bee free without weapons? Well, then you and I have a totally different weiw of what freedom is. Futher discussion is preatty pointless.

if you wanted a weapon, could you get one? would you be allowed? if not, then that's clearly an area where your freedom is checked.

but i agree w/you; there are different conceptions of freedom. it just so happens that in the states we have a long tradition of being armed.


This thread is pretty off-topic allready but just to answer your question. It's not THAT hard getting guns in Sweden, it's just that you have to work a bit for it. Easiest way is either getting a hunter exam or getting a membership in a marksmanship club. Both of those will give you the right to own weapons.

Ontopic: I think it's wrong to give private bailiffs the power to "arrest" people. Things like that should be handled by the police.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby AlexdeLarge » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 12:43:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'Y')es, americans have a lot of guns. Dont really know what good they will do you.


Of course you don't. How the hell could you? You were born and raised in the bosom of ass-wiping socialism. As far as you know, you can't fart without the government's permission.

The concept of owning a gun to protect yourself is as foreign to you as is a 70 degree January day - you have no concept.

So sit there is the middle of nowhere, where there is nothing that anybody wants and wall to wall mirror image white people, pay your 70% taxes in the faux prosperity that peak oil has allowed you, and marvel at your inability to comprehend why it is that the majority of Americans prefer to be armed.

You're like a bleating little eurosheep tethered inside a corral. You look at Americans, who are free to roam, and you can't imagine what all the fuss is about - you have your warm barn, your plain feed, and a farmer who cares about you.


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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby Snowrunner » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 14:46:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('neocone', 'W')hen are those anti-gun idiots realize a CONCEALED PISTOL is like 1000 tanks when you approach and stop the right person?


Sure, and a million monkeys and a million typewriters will produce Shakespear, bike helmets actually protect you in a high-speed crash and if you live long enough you will eventually die.

Or differently: Yes, it CAN make a difference, the odds of it are extremely small though and the tradeoffs may not be worth it.

Clearly the Us has decided that the downside of many people having access to guns is worth it, most other countries in the world (and it's citizens) decided otherwise.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby Snowrunner » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 14:52:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')nd you were lucky to be born in the land of the free, where you can't even take your shirt off walking down the street. Can't have a beer on the beach. Can't even cross the road where you want. Oh but sorry I forgot you can carry guns - gee whiz !


I always found that funny too when I lived in the US. On the one hand it is supposed to be the "Land of the free", but I have never been to a place where there were so many: "You are not allowed to do this" signs posted everywhere.

My conclusion was that in the end they had initially no rules, then enough idiots took this as: "Anything goes" and now they have swung the other ways.... with guns.

Freedom really is a personal definition, but after living for a year in the US and then returning to "socialist" Europe I realized I felt a lot freeer in the EU than I did during my year in the US, mainly because it seems people in general were more open and less suspicious of each other.

As for the Bailiffs, it should be interesting to see how far they will take it, I guess "London Burning" could be an end result of this, just look at the English Hooligans to get an idea.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby BlueGhostNo2 » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 00:00:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'T')his will require an act of parliment to change the law. It will face some oposition in the commons, a huge amount in the lords and may violate the Human Rights act of 1998, whats more it may also break the European Convention on Human Rights. It would also face a possible constitutional challange in the high court on the grounds it violates the principle that only the state can use violence and that a persons home is there sanctuary, although I am no expert on the UK constitution.

Its biggest obstacle is likely to be the press where the left and right wing newspapers will make hay over this law. With many middle class swing voters fearing there debts and there jobs, this is likely to be a big big vote loser. New Labour are probibly thick enough to go for it though.


The best defence against an overzealous bailif is not a gun. Its a strong local comunity, unless you plan to be at home 24/7.



The law has already been passed as an attachment to a 2004 law on violent crime. No one noticed till now, when they used that as justification for asking for more powers, ace huh?!

I am surprised that this has not got more traction in the press!

And yes Labour are toast at the next election, well assuming the tories keep their mouths shut the muppets.
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby ki11ercane » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 02:25:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'Y')es, americans have a lot of guns. Dont really know what good they will do you.


Of course you don't. How the hell could you? You were born and raised in the bosom of ass-wiping socialism. As far as you know, you can't fart without the government's permission.

The concept of owning a gun to protect yourself is as foreign to you as is a 70 degree January day - you have no concept.

So sit there is the middle of nowhere, where there is nothing that anybody wants and wall to wall mirror image white people, pay your 70% taxes in the faux prosperity that peak oil has allowed you, and marvel at your inability to comprehend why it is that the majority of Americans prefer to be armed.

You're like a bleating little eurosheep tethered inside a corral. You look at Americans, who are free to roam, and you can't imagine what all the fuss is about - you have your warm barn, your plain feed, and a farmer who cares about you.


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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby MrBean » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 07:41:22

Guys, lets be honest here. Only reason why Muricans love their guns so much is that their Monsanto feed makes them soft downstairs and they can't get their tiny willies in working condition without strapping a barrel on with duck tape. :)
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby Arsenal » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 12:37:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'G')uys, lets be honest here. Only reason why Muricans love their guns so much is that their Monsanto feed makes them soft downstairs and they can't get their tiny willies in working condition without strapping a barrel on with duck tape. :)


HAHAHAHAHAHA. Please let us know if you ever have to defend yourself. I would love to hear the story of you whipping out your "hard iron Euro rod" to slap some sense into a would be attacker/
UK - Bailiffs. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby MrBean » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 14:51:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'G')uys, lets be honest here. Only reason why Muricans love their guns so much is that their Monsanto feed makes them soft downstairs and they can't get their tiny willies in working condition without strapping a barrel on with duck tape. :)


HAHAHAHAHAHA. Please let us know if you ever have to defend yourself. I would love to hear the story of you whipping out your "hard iron Euro rod" to slap some sense into a would be attacker/
UK - Bailiffs. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't insult me, I'm not European. You have to be daft Euro-American to think that anyone would be daft enough to attack me. I possess nothing, have nothing to defend, nothing to lose. And will make extremely lousy slave to the Master Race, too. :-D So why won't you just get on with it and die-off, ASAP, and leave us be. :)
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby Arsenal » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 15:03:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '
')Don't insult me, I'm not European.


Just a joke MrBean.. At least I thought I was funny. :oops:
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Re: UK - Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

Postby MrBean » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 15:12:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '
')Don't insult me, I'm not European.


Just a joke MrBean.. At least I thought I was funny. :oops:


Likewise. :)

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