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Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby yippleflipple » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 01:30:29

Which do you identify most with?

Believe in supernatural phenomena?

Intelligent design?

Where do your values come from?

Do you have faith?

share some thoughts...
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby yippleflipple » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 01:39:29

I would have to say I am an agnostic leaning toward atheism.

There are times when I have believed in God and times when I have not and just like any other kind of feeling or idea, it will fade and come again, in a new more intense form, or just a completely strange form or not at all... but I operate on the premise that there is no God... it works for me. I can't have faith, I don't know what that means/is. I would think I'm deluding myself if I did have faith.

I can dig deism on my better days.

Not really into the supernatural stuff tho... need some evidence, convincing arguments...

I also strongly relate to Buddhism and Taoism... Buddhism in a practical sense and Taoism in a philosophical sense.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby hardtootell » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 01:47:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'W')hich do you identify most with?

Believe in supernatural phenomena?

Intelligent design?

Where do your values come from?

Do you have faith?

share some thoughts...


I could never have such a lack of imagination ("psychological adventurism ")that would cause me to be an Atheist.

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby lper100km » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 02:15:06

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I cannot imagine the lack of imagination ("psychological adventurism ")that would cause anyone to be an Atheist.


So theism is merely the product of imagination.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 02:22:28

So, you're an atheist then!

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 04:48:44

Agnostic leaning towards hard-core atheism.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby yippleflipple » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 04:51:18

serial, maybe we just need some imagination juice
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby blukatzen » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 06:09:48

Heathenry, as in Asatru/Urglaawe, and Slavic Native Faith (Rodna Vira.) For more information, please also check the World Council of Ethnic Religions. link

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby outcast » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 09:00:56

Atheism
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby obixman » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 09:53:40

Atheism - Stoicism for a Philosophy
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 10:04:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'W')hich do you identify most with?

Believe in supernatural phenomena?

Intelligent design?

Where do your values come from?

Do you have faith?

share some thoughts...


Ancient Myth

Astrotheology

Shamanism

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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby dinopello » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 10:22:01

I don't really subscribe to any formalism or any ism. Maybe Makeitupism ? I like ideas from Animism where everything has a soul and remains part of a continuum of existence. I think I believe there a lot out there we don't and won't understand. But it is interesting learning what we all make up.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 10:36:26

Atheists, explain this?

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By the 5th millennium BC these peoples had fashioned one of the world's earliest known archeoastronomical devices (roughly contemporary to the Goseck circleGoseck circle

The Goseck circle is a Neolithic structure in Goseck in the district of Weissenfels in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany....
in Germany), about 1000 years older than but comparable to StonehengeStonehenge

Stonehenge is a Neolithic and Bronze Age megalithic monument located near Amesbury in the English county of Wiltshire, about...
(see sketch at right). Research suggests that it may have been a prehistoric calendarCalendar Overview

A calendar is a system for naming periods of time, typically days....
which accurately marks the summerSummer

Summer is a season that is astronomically defined as beginning around June 21, and ending around September 23 in the North...
solsticeSolstice

A solstice is either of the two times of the year when the sun is at its greatest distance from the equator: in technical words, w...
.

The research done by the astrophysicist Thomas G. Brophy suggests that these monolithMonolith

A monolith is a geological or technological feature such as a mountain, consisting of a single massive stone or rock....
s might tell much more. The calendar circle itself is made up of one doorway that runs north-south, a second that runs northeast-southwest marking the summer solstice, and six center stones (see sketch above). Brophy's hypothesis proposes first that the southerly line of three stones inside the calendar circle represented the three stars of Orion’s Belt and the other three stones inside the calendar circle represented the shoulders and head stars of OrionFacts About Orion (constellation)

Orion, a constellation often referred to as The Hunter, is a prominent constellation, perhaps the best-known and most co...
as they appeared in the sky. These correspondences were for two dates -- circa 4,800 BC and at precessional opposition -- represting how the sky "moves" long term. Brophy proposes that the circle was constructed and used circa the later date, and the dual date representation was a conceptual representation of the motion of the sky over a precession cycle.

Near by the calendar circle, which is made of smaller stones, there are alignments of large megalithic stones. The southerly lines of these megaliths, Brophy shows, aligned to the same stars as represented in the calendar circle, all at the same epoch, circa 6270 BC. The calendar circle correlation with Orion's belt occurred between 6400 BC and 4900 BC, matching the radio-carbon dating of campfires around the circle.

Brophy found that the lines made to these megaliths match the spots in the sky where the various stars rose in vernal equinox heliacal risingHeliacal rising

The heliacal rising of a star occurs when it first becomes visible above the eastern horizon at dawn, after a period when it...

In analyzing the varying distances, mulling through assumptions such as that they represented the brightness of the stars, he inadvertently found that they matched the distance of the stars from Earth on a scale of roughly 1 meter = .8 light years within the margin of error for astronomical distances calculated today..


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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 11:00:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I') don't really subscribe to any formalism or any ism. Maybe Makeitupism ? I like ideas from Animism where everything has a soul and remains part of a continuum of existence. I think I believe there a lot out there we don't and won't understand. But it is interesting learning what we all make up.


Yeah, I fall into the Makeitupism category also. I sometimes call myself a myriadist, sometimes a pagan, sometimes an animist, sometimes an agnostic. I have ideas I enjoy, but I'm not certain I "believe" in them. :)
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby outcast » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 11:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')theists, explain this?
*snip*



It's a large circle, with some things in the middle.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 11:50:09

I have followed Jesus since I was 18. I don't use the word Christian to describe myself (unless I don't have time to explain myself), as it means "like Christ" (which I don't claim to be) and was given to his followers by outsiders.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 17:13:23

It's more likely to support the existence of other life out there than god.

I think the possibility of life out there is slim but there is a chance.

The existence of God seems ridiculous. I was always told at Sunday School that 'God is Good' - I thought they were being literal, and I suppose still accept it that way ie. a symbol of all that is good in the world.

Problem is that many religions/religious people use God/religion as an excuse for intolernce and hatred neither of which could be described as good.

Non-Atheists explain this?

If God created the world. Who created God?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')theists, explain this?

Nabta Playa
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One of the world's earliest known examples of archeoastronomy
By the 5th millennium BC these peoples had fashioned one of the world's earliest known archeoastronomical devices (roughly contemporary to the Goseck circleGoseck circle

The Goseck circle is a Neolithic structure in Goseck in the district of Weissenfels in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany....
in Germany), about 1000 years older than but comparable to StonehengeStonehenge

Stonehenge is a Neolithic and Bronze Age megalithic monument located near Amesbury in the English county of Wiltshire, about...
(see sketch at right). Research suggests that it may have been a prehistoric calendarCalendar Overview

A calendar is a system for naming periods of time, typically days....
which accurately marks the summerSummer

Summer is a season that is astronomically defined as beginning around June 21, and ending around September 23 in the North...
solsticeSolstice

A solstice is either of the two times of the year when the sun is at its greatest distance from the equator: in technical words, w...
.

The research done by the astrophysicist Thomas G. Brophy suggests that these monolithMonolith

A monolith is a geological or technological feature such as a mountain, consisting of a single massive stone or rock....
s might tell much more. The calendar circle itself is made up of one doorway that runs north-south, a second that runs northeast-southwest marking the summer solstice, and six center stones (see sketch above). Brophy's hypothesis proposes first that the southerly line of three stones inside the calendar circle represented the three stars of Orion’s Belt and the other three stones inside the calendar circle represented the shoulders and head stars of OrionFacts About Orion (constellation)

Orion, a constellation often referred to as The Hunter, is a prominent constellation, perhaps the best-known and most co...
as they appeared in the sky. These correspondences were for two dates -- circa 4,800 BC and at precessional opposition -- represting how the sky "moves" long term. Brophy proposes that the circle was constructed and used circa the later date, and the dual date representation was a conceptual representation of the motion of the sky over a precession cycle.

Near by the calendar circle, which is made of smaller stones, there are alignments of large megalithic stones. The southerly lines of these megaliths, Brophy shows, aligned to the same stars as represented in the calendar circle, all at the same epoch, circa 6270 BC. The calendar circle correlation with Orion's belt occurred between 6400 BC and 4900 BC, matching the radio-carbon dating of campfires around the circle.

Brophy found that the lines made to these megaliths match the spots in the sky where the various stars rose in vernal equinox heliacal risingHeliacal rising

The heliacal rising of a star occurs when it first becomes visible above the eastern horizon at dawn, after a period when it...

In analyzing the varying distances, mulling through assumptions such as that they represented the brightness of the stars, he inadvertently found that they matched the distance of the stars from Earth on a scale of roughly 1 meter = .8 light years within the margin of error for astronomical distances calculated today..


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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 22:14:34

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Non-Atheists explain this?

If God created the world. Who created God?

Unknown. The party line is that God was not created, that he has always existed. If, as the Bible says, the plane of existence God is in does not have time in it (or he can move in time like we do up and down the street), this would make sense.

We just can't understand it fully because we only know causality and a linear progression of time.
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 22:19:31

Take a guess. :)
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Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 22:22:33

Anyway, how many of these religious-based polls do we need before we just have them stickied at the top of the Open Disc.? It seems like we go through these every couple of months.
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