[Quinny]

I can't accept that there is no absolute good and evil. There are laws in nature that need to be taken into account.

Stephen Covey's concept of a moral compass is I believe a good analogy.

I understand the concept of relative good or evil, but to me it's a bit like dealing with SPAM emails. One mans SPAM is another mans HAM, but their are some emails that are and always will be SPAM.

So I take the point that killing might not always be bad, but I cannot think of a circumstance where killing for sadistic pleasure would be considered good.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', ' ')I cannot think of a circumstance where killing for sadistic pleasure would be considered good.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'S')o I take the point that killing might not always be bad, but I cannot think of a circumstance where killing for sadistic pleasure would be considered good.

[Quinny]

But it was carried out by suicide bombers who believed they were fighting a holy war. total nutcases, but different than someone who kills for sadistic pleasure.

[Ferretlover]

The past is the past. Back on topic, please.

[Quinny]

Whats that mean?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')he past is the past. Back on topic, please.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'y')ou missed my point. There is a difference between the concept of 'good' and the concept of 'evil' but it all depends on where you stand.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'A')s long as you can only see the world from 4 dimensions of space and time, it all seems relative to you and one culture's evil is another culture's good. When you see it from outside of this reality, it will appear quite different to you and you will be able to see the difference between Good and Evil.
See you on the Other Side.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'B')ut it was carried out by suicide bombers who believed they were fighting a holy war. total nutcases, but different than someone who kills for sadistic pleasure.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'O')f course but you're a couple of levels down from the top still. You're 'see you on the other side' is proof that you're at about level 4/5 of the main 7 (though there are lots of sub levels obviously)

[mos6507]

Ozzy isn't a guitar player, but he's worked with some of the best.

Here is a Sabbath song (lyrics courtesy of Geezer Butler) that is more appropriate for doom (which is actually the name of early Sabbath's musical genre).

INTO THE VOID

Rocket engines burning fuel so fast
Up into the night sky they blast
Through the universe the engines whine
Could it be the end of man and time
Back on earth the flame of life burns low
Everywhere is misery and woe
Pollution kills the air, the land and sea
Man prepares to meet his destiny
Rocket engines burning fuel so fast
Up into the night sky so vast
Burning metal through the atmosphere
Earth remains in worry, hate and fear
With the hateful battles raging on
Rockets flying to the glowing sun
Through the empires of eternal void
Freedom from the final suicide

Freedom fighters sent out to the sun
Escape from brainwashed minds and pollution.
Leave the earth to all its sin and hate
Find another world where freedom waits.
Past the stars in fields of ancient void
Through the shields of darkness where they find
Love upon a land a world unknown
Where the sons of freedom make their home

Leave the earth to satan and his slaves
Leave them to their future in the grave
Make a home where love is there to stay