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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby highlander » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 19:57:45

Yes, that is true. I've seen the pictures from the fairs up there, puny cabbages, squash and punkins. Definitely don't think about growing anything in Alaska.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 20:09:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Goatlady', 'S')o far all the reasons for the decline in America's intelligence by the teachers and previous teachers is right on! This is a different thought on the same subject...
My Father, who died on January 1, 1969 talked about war causing America to weaken - in all areas. He felt that the 'draft' chose our best men to send to war - mostly to be killed or maimed - and left the weak at home to breed our future.
I was seven years old when I heard this, but have often wondered if it played out at all as he thought....

I would not want to disagree with a dead man especially a dead veteran as the 1/1/69 date suggests but the volunteer army self selects our best men & women to take all the risks while a draft if fairly done (If that were possible) would spread the risks across all levels of society and abilitys. Hard to see that with a draft notice in your hands of course.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby Kristen » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 20:29:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')here are you?
The Matanuska Valley, start point of the Iditarod. Population around 60,000.
Hi Reverse: Hello----are you a really fellow Alaskan? I thought in an earlier post you said you lived in Rio?
I lived in Rio as a boy, my dad was in International Banking with Chase Manhattan in the 60s.
I live in Alaska now, and everyone around here refers to where we live as "the Mat Valley" , even though it includes both the Matanuska and Susitna Valleys. To be slightly more precise, I live somewhere between the Matanuska and Susitna Valleys ;-) Close enough to the trailhead of the Iditarod to ride my bike to it. More precise I don't need to get. The Iditarod is of course about the only thing anyone recognizes about Alaska other than the Oil on the North Slope and in the ANWR.

Reverse, Do you live outside the bush in Alaska. Also is it true that during the dec 22 - 25 there is no sun?
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 20:34:31

I'm guessing RE lives in (or near) Willow, Alaska.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 00:24:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'R')everse, Do you live outside the bush in Alaska. Also is it true that during the dec 22 - 25 there is no sun?

It depends how you define the "Bush". If that means do I live 50 miles from anybody else, no. However, its all trees and woodland and the homes, apartments and cabins around the area are widely separated. Very low density obviously. Moose wander the neighborhood quite freely. Snow machines are as common as cars as local transportation.

Since we are below the Arctic Circle, there is no time where the sun totally disappears, but around the winter solstice there are only a few hours of twilight, its not really pure daylight.

Willow was a good guess Ludi. Won't say if its correct, but its the type and size of town I live in. They all are like this around here, anywhere from Moose Creek to Talkeetna. I would say its what most towns were like in the US in size around the late 1800s for the most part.

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby JJ » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 08:46:24

RE's moose roaming freely.....

How to load a moose at 60 mph (large)

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby Goatlady » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 11:40:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Goatlady', 'S')o far all the reasons for the decline in America's intelligence by the teachers and previous teachers is right on! This is a different thought on the same subject...
My Father, who died on January 1, 1969 talked about war causing America to weaken - in all areas. He felt that the 'draft' chose our best men to send to war - mostly to be killed or maimed - and left the weak at home to breed our future.
I was seven years old when I heard this, but have often wondered if it played out at all as he thought....

I would not want to disagree with a dead man especially a dead veteran as the 1/1/69 date suggests but the volunteer army self selects our best men & women to take all the risks while a draft if fairly done (If that were possible) would spread the risks across all levels of society and abilitys. Hard to see that with a draft notice in your hands of course.


Actually, the draft my Dad was speaking about was for my brothers. My Dad served in WW2. This was being discussed in the late 60s just before he died.

Our family is big on dinner discussions and the 'boys' (my brothers) were talking about all the reasons their friends were being disqualified from the draft - I remember quite clearly one reason was for being overweight and it was only about 30 pounds overweight. But in listening to the reasons, Dad decided the military was only taking the men who were in top shape, smart, and strong. Leaving the sick, less intelligent, and weak home. I was only seven at the time,, but the draft was having quite a memorable effect at our house.

It was just something we think about in our family from time to time, but doubt we believe it with any conviction.

My husband and I have read whole books on the 'dumbing of America' and all articles we see.

The loss of the ability to think is well worthy of serious examination from every angle - even ones that sound a little bizarre. Although I think it is a mixture of many things.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby JoeW » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 15:23:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Goatlady', '
')The loss of the ability to think is well worthy of serious examination from every angle - even ones that sound a little bizarre. Although I think it is a mixture of many things.


I think the computer is partly to blame. Everyone talks about how understanding math & science is so critical to our nation's success, but very few occupations even require the knowledge anymore. You just plug the numbers into the computer model, and it spits out all the answers for you.

All the jobs are made to be brainless, and then we wonder why everyone's incapable of using their brains...
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby Goatlady » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 15:55:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Goatlady', 'T')he loss of the ability to think is well worthy of serious examination from every angle - even ones that sound a little bizarre. Although I think it is a mixture of many things.
I think the computer is partly to blame. Everyone talks about how understanding math & science is so critical to our nation's success, but very few occupations even require the knowledge anymore. You just plug the numbers into the computer model, and it spits out all the answers for you.
All the jobs are made to be brainless, and then we wonder why everyone's incapable of using their brains...

JoeW, have you noticed how many people don't want to use their brains?

Curiosity is rare. People don't ask questions much anymore.
They accept what they are being told.

Computers are a two edged sword. They are wonderful if you seek answers.... as long as you can do some critical thinking of your own since answers can vary.

But computers can also give many an excuse not to think. We have met so many people who don't use their computers to research anything! Amazing!
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby vaseline2008 » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 15:28:01

You be the judge...

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Unread postby NoahsDove » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 19:30:17

It's difficult to say when this anti-intellectual movement began in America. Guardian
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