[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'N')othing but local consensus can work, IMO.

[Ludi]

Mutual support is a coercion which has worked well for the majority of human cultures. I'll support you if you support me. Don't support me and I'll drop you like a hot potato. If we both agree to support each other, then we've reached consensus. It's not really all that difficult, in my experience.

[Pops]

Th original post has been deleted so I'm gonna say:

Make a plan and work it, if it don't - change it.

[Ludi]

Pops, apparently some people expect others to make a plan for them, and if they don't like it, they want others to come up with additional plans until they see one they like.

"We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas."

[dohboi]

Back on the religion thing--most religions are complex enough that they have components that are at least sustainable. In the West, Christians have seized on the "dominate the earth" language in the Bible and have tended to disregard the many other pro-earth, anti-anthropocentric passages.

I think there are some fundamental problems with most monotheisms ultimately, but there is plenty of room for pro-earth understanding of the texts.

Glad to hear there are so many anarchists on the line. My view has always been that anarchism is more of an mode of action--always distrusting and working to weaken strong concentrations of power while encouraging more diffuse power structures--than an attainable, static, utopian state.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', ' ')My view has always been that anarchism is more of an mode of action--always distrusting and working to weaken strong concentrations of power while encouraging more diffuse power structures--