[JimBad05]

OIL Scam
by: Shotgun4fun (50/M/Missouri) 04/01/05 06:01 pm
Msg: 38859 of 38909
1 recommendation

I have it a good authority that oil tankers are being stopped in Texas from unloading. The government is lying to us. Would someone in Texas around those shipping lanes take some picures and show the world the oil prices are being artifically inflated to line the pockets of the rich and famous!


This is taken from one of those message boards after a news story on yahoo. Though most try to blame libs or cons for high oil prices, a certain percentage are there preaching peak oil to the masses. Then, you just have plain lunatics like this guy.

[BabyPeanut]

Plenty of reasons to stop tankers.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/specials/ ... ire24.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n February 2003, the Polar Resolution was offloading oil in Martinez, Calif., when a tiny fuel leak in a high-pressure line caused hot bunker oil to collect on the deck plating around the pipe. That's not good, because misty, hot fuel is explosive.

The ship sailed out of the Golden Gate even as engineers worked all day and all night, tearing out and rewelding huge sections of pipe.

At least one engineer worked 22 hours straight -- a violation of federal work limits instituted after the Exxon Valdez, though there are exceptions in an emergency.

One seaman reported that when he was called to help around 5:30 a.m., the other engineers were "red-eyed, goofy and incoherent."

Then the ship was rocked by an explosion.

The blast, unrelated to the leak, destroyed a 6,600-volt electrical breaker. The tanker scurried back to anchor in San Francisco Bay.

The Coast Guard knew nothing of the episode when the Seattle Post-Intelligencer repeatedly inquired about it. Apparently neither the tanker's officers nor its owner reported it.

The P-I found out when it contacted a crewman who suffered smoke inhalation in the aftermath of the explosion. In what could be construed as an attempt to evade reporting requirements, a medical report signed by the captain classifies the smoke inhalation not as an accident-caused injury, but as an illness. The captain, Dan Ellison of Fountain Valley, Calif., did not return phone calls.

Failure to report such a damaging explosion and an injury -- an apparent law violation -- reflects a breakdown in post-Exxon Valdez reforms.

[Aaron]

I live in sight of the port of Houston and I see tankers coming in all day long...

In fact I'm looking out my window right now... and there's one going by.

[EnviroEngr]

From the Yahoo! News Portal:

Fri Apr 1, 6:16 AM EST

Gas prices jeopardize road projects

[SeeOtter]

Hi People,

I've been into PO since way back (internet time!) to the early Paleolithic (1999), before it was a media hot flash. I started up the original Yahoo discussion group "RunningOnEmpty" (now renamed by the guy I turned it over to as "RunningOnEmpty2").

I'm just posting here to alert anybody who cares that I've got 3 other semi-relevant groups related to the whole energy/overshoot/dieoff meme:

General end-of-it-all chat at my main group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlasBabylon/

My extended 2003 interview with my friend Jay Hanson, internet godfather of all this dieoff stuff is the file 'HansonSummingUpInterview' at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlasBabylon/files/

Those who fear Japan devolving back to Edo period can get comfort or chills from the (rather desultory!) chat at my group here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HubbertJapan/

Those in AL, WA, OR, northern CA, or ID can banter about local life-or-death here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningOnEmptyCascadia/

Have a Nice Dieoff!

-Scott Meredith

[aldente]

Thanks for finally posting.I remember the first post "with an accelerated heart beat". It's all about the response, isn't it and this is a forum where fist fighting is the rule.

Anyway, in the first link that you place about the IMF warning about permanent higher oil prices it states:

The IMF forecast in its World Economic Outlook that crude would cost $34 a barrel in 2010 in today's money and would rise to $39-$56 a barrel in 2030. The predicted prices are well above market and oil industry expectations. They are also much higher than the latest long-term forecast from the International Energy Agency, the oil watchdog, of real oil prices of $27 a barrel in 2010 and $34 a barrel in 2030.


Now what how naive can one be and what is the point to even post such a kind of information????

[SeeOtter]

Hello,

I believe you are mistaken. I have no intention of fighting anybody.

>Now what how naive can one be and what is the point to even post such a >kind of information????

I'm far from naive and was into PO probably long before you and most here.

The post you refer to is one of thousands placed by one of the 525 list members in my group as background information on what significant others, in this case the IMF, are saying/thinking. Posting the article does not imply endorsement or validation of the contents. Is that a difficult or novel concept?

But do be warned: AlasBabylon is a wild and freaky group, focused on the cultural and psychological aspects of dieoff. It is not moderated and it is not for everyone. People who can't take a rough, weird, crazy and sometimes stupid ride probably won't feel comfortable there. If you love control and "respectability", don't bother to join AlasBabylon.

Thanks!
-Scott Meredith

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeeOtter', '
')I'm far from naive and was into PO probably long before you and most here.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeeOtter', 'H')i People,

I've been into PO since way back (internet time!) to the early Paleolithic (1999), before it was a media hot flash. I started up the original Yahoo discussion group "RunningOnEmpty" (now renamed by the guy I turned it over to as "RunningOnEmpty2").

I'm just posting here to alert anybody who cares that I've got 3 other semi-relevant groups related to the whole energy/overshoot/dieoff meme:

General end-of-it-all chat at my main group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlasBabylon/

My extended 2003 interview with my friend Jay Hanson, internet godfather of all this dieoff stuff is the file 'HansonSummingUpInterview' at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlasBabylon/files/

Those who fear Japan devolving back to Edo period can get comfort or chills from the (rather desultory!) chat at my group here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HubbertJapan/

Those in AL, WA, OR, northern CA, or ID can banter about local life-or-death here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningOnEmptyCascadia/

Have a Nice Dieoff!

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

There's a bunch of people on runningonempty2, runningonempty3, thedieoffQ&A, foodwatershelter, etc. There's probalby 5K members of those groups. Do you think it would make sense to add forums with those names and ask them to pick an occasional article that they think would be of interest to this site? It might be an interesting way to get some good articles and maybe some cross-pollenization.

Just a thought.

Actually, it might not be that bad of an idea to have a thread for the Frugal Squirrels forum or any other groups that have similar interests. Maybe the Green Party or the Libertarian Party, or is that too divisive?

[Aaron]

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic6871.html

[EnviroEngr]

From the Yahoo! News Portal:

Wed Apr 27, 4:00 PM EDT

Bush Lays Out Energy Plan As Prices Soar

[AlCzervik]

OPEC Boosts Supplies to 25 Year High
http://tinyurl.com/7g6kv

[Dvanharn]

There is a 59 minute-old headline at Yahoo! News Home Page as I write this - peak oil is indeed hitting the mainstream news!! It was written by by MATT CRENSON, AP National Writer, and I think he did an excellent overview.

Here's a link to the story, because I don't know how long it will stay on the "front page" of "Yahoo! News"

Experts: Petroleum May Be Nearing a Peak

It's going to be a very interesting summer if the discussion of peak oil hits other mainstream news media - especially CNN, Fox, or the front pages of the major newspapers. Once one media major gets a hot story going, the others will jump on it like flies on dung.

Dave

[bart]

This is a big development.

When I looked on Google News, more than 76 news organizations had put a version of this story online.

Forbes, Newsday (NY), NY Times, SF Chronicle, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, LA Times, ABC News, and CBS News were among those that carried the story.

Energy Bulletin has an archive copy of the story:
http://energybulletin.net/6383.html .

A week ago, the Canada Globe and Mail (the big paper in Canada) started a week series on the oil crunch, with several stories per day. Now we have a fairly good summary of Peak Oil running in many of the important U.S. newspapers.

Step-by-step, we're on our way.

[kenohio]

I think the people in the know already realize that we are at or very near peak oil.

I know in Pennsylvania many older coal mines are being reopened on a very large scale. Plus other mines are getting huge infusions of new capital to increase production.

This type of investment hasn't been seen since the 70's.

Consol Energy in the suburbs of Pittsburgh just announced they are investing $500 million dollars to increase capacity at one of it's mines. The investment will make the coal mine in South Western Pennsylvania the nations largest underground mine. It will produce over 17 million tons of coal per year.

If these companies didn't have very good information that the price of coal will remain high for the forseeable future, they wouldn't bother investing the millions that it takes to bring a mine on-line.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05148/512077.stm

[RonMN]

Once PO becomes mainstream & everybody is aware...i give the stock market about 15 minutes...maybe less.

Dow: 37
Nasdaq: 2
S&P: 0

[snowhope]

Once this becomes mainstream, my concern is that a degree of panic will set in. Markets will get even more jittery than normal. One thing will lead to another and the downwards spiral will start. As soon as panic hits, almost anything can and will happen.

From a pureley selfish reason, I hope it doesn't cause panic just yet - I AM NOT READY!!!!

[fossil_fuel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'D')ow: 37
Nasdaq: 2
S&P: 0

[NEOPO]

Good article.

Ron is such an optomist

Does anyone remember why its called wall street?

The barbarians are at the gate, on the gate and behind the gate