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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby Snowrunner » Wed 05 Nov 2008, 00:21:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('retiredguy', 'Y')ou must know some of the managers I used to work for!!


Couple of years back I gave a presentation at Vertias, their core development team for the Disk Manager suite.

One of the things I brought up was that having a dashboard with an overview of all the drive states in the network would be handy in a large datacentre.

Answer I was given was that they already had it planned for the next release. When I asked if they also had planned for a "Management" interface (read, only red and green, no yellows) they didn't understand why I wanted that. I spent the next two hours after the presentation explaining to the two PMs why showing yellow to a manager is the worst thing that could ever happen.

BTW, I am done with SysAdministration a long while ago, I never liked programming and now I am on the Solution Architecture side. The good news is: I can prevent a lot of hurt from developers / admins if I am lucky. The bad news is I constantly have to beat both sides (business and developers) with a huge stick because both sides think they know it all *sigh*.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby outcast » Wed 05 Nov 2008, 07:10:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('galacticsurfer', 'h')ttp://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/2799/computer-science-enrollment-is-down-by-half-since-2000
The latest Taulbee Survey—set to be published in full by May—says that in 2007, undergraduate enrollment in computer-science programs had fallen to half of what it was in 2000 (15,958 to 7,915, to be exact).
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his whole IT stuff has gotten out of hand. All IT did for the business I was in was complicate things. What a joke. REALLY.

If you want to go back to typewriters and teletext machines go for it, and then you can why computers are good.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 05 Nov 2008, 09:27:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('retiredguy', 'Y')ou must know some of the managers I used to work for!!
Regarding programming. Custom programming of business apps was dying when I left the business and I doubt it is coming back anytime soon.
When I took a job in apps development at the UW, there were over 200 programmers. When I left, there were less than 60.
I spent the last fifteen years of my career as a systems programmer, and I still did a fair amount of coding, mostly in assembler and C.
Fortunately for me, I worked on systems that, for the most part were my own creation, and were vital to the business of the UW.
However, most of the young guys in my systems engineering group worked as system admins and did very little coding.
This was a depressing trend for a guy (me) who really liked to code.

That is actually how I make my living, writing custom financial and accounting software for large corporations. Corporations have consistently hired me to do that, even though I don't have a CS degree. There are just 1-2 people now plugging the holes in the system now, instead of 200. It's an insane workload, you can never get it all done.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Thu 06 Nov 2008, 15:57:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') hate to break it to you, but that's not really IT and why you would get or need a degree for doing what you do is a bit puzzeling.


I never thought about that. I guess administration of technology and support is not information technology in a strict sense, but I think most smaller to mid-size businesses lump the roles together into a single IT department.

I may become a real programmer one day, if there is any demand for it, but I'm just hoping that having a variety of skills in technology will keep me more flexible. When I was trying to find a software development job, I had a hard time. For some reason, it was hard to find an entry level position in my area, and at that time. I took this job, and just kinda grew into it.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby lowem » Thu 06 Nov 2008, 21:01:40

I've always been in IT, R&D, applications development, Java/J2EE, that kind of thing. A few months back, some time before everything started melting down, I changed jobs from America's largest defence contractor to, um, the largest local one. I had another colleauge who, well, went over to Lehman Brothers.

I related this story over lunch yesterday. My boss said I was clever. I wasn't sure how to respond to that. Business isn't too bad. I'm now handling almost more projects than I can keep track of. I think it's more of being a part of an extremely well informed community as compared to any kind of individual "cleverness".

If this proves to be the right decision in time to come, I'll have to thank the peakoiler and contrarian community for the collective strategic intelligence that we are gathering as we help each other to look ahead into the future. Our track record in this regard has been pretty superb, way ahead of the curve.

So, not to forget that if we're talking about IT, which sector are we talking about? It's worlds apart if we're talking about IT in finance, retail, logistics, or IT in government, military/defence, in education, healthcare, or such.

Take a look at the 10 sub-sectors of the S&P. You can be pretty sure that IT is used in all of them. If you're in IT, where do you want to be, which sectors would you avoid?
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 07 Nov 2008, 14:42:06

Personally, I wouldn't want to work for the government. They are more or less my enemy (which you can guess by looking at my avatar). I would like to work for a business that manufactures precision tools or parts for various industrial things. Certain industries should hold up well in the long term such as railroads, mining, and wind power. Being part of IT for these companies should help me to learn more about how this manufacturing is done.

Definitely stay away from any business that is tightly involved in or dependent upon the building of commercial or residential structures.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby EndOfGrowth » Mon 10 Nov 2008, 12:29:39

Merrill Lynch confirms IT job cuts

"Once upon a time IT smarties could have expected to walk out of one employer, and straight into the arms of another. However, with Lehmans casting thousands into the wilderness, and other top end finance firms handing out pink slips the omens are not good."

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Government computer jobs are axed

"HP had warned that the takeover would mean 24,000 jobs would go worldwide and have confirmed 3,378 will be in the UK. "


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Large job losses in the construction industry, now the auto industry and possibly the beginning of huge job cuts next in IT -IMO as everyone and his uncle have jumped on the bandwagon.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 10 Nov 2008, 16:43:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '
')Definitely stay away from any business that is tightly involved in or dependent upon the building of commercial or residential structures.


Don't you think the construction industry will have a rebirth in fixing all those drafty McMansions?
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby lowem » Mon 17 Nov 2008, 11:48:53

Citigroup chopping another 53,000. Fair bet that there're lots of IT guys in that sad group. Sigh.
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Re: Information Technology Sector next to be hit?

Unread postby EndOfGrowth » Mon 17 Nov 2008, 12:06:09

BT to cut 10,000 jobs by March 2009 affecting IT contractors and consultants

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