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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 01:30:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'Y')ou apparently also missed the important point, He was boning the BANKERS and AIG people who were in fact taking his derivative BETS...THEY were the "ivy league elite", and they were the ones who lost against him...

He closed his funds when he decided the risk of "them" no longer being able to meet their bets against him was too great!

Maybe you read it too fast?


Ronin, most of the time I agree with you, in this case I think you misread the information. There simply is NO WAY a guy like this quits the game because he is WINNING. I bet dollars to doughnuts he quit because he could make the margin calls on his bets. He grabbed as much money as he could and left all the rest of the investors in the Hedge Fund holding the bag. He obviously did not steal as much as he HOPED he could steal, he was originally shooting for 9 figures and probably left with a measly 6 or 7 figures.

Sorry, you do not make 200% returns on safe bets, and this fellow LOST big time. Now he is making himself out to be a winner int he game by leaving his investors holding the bag. He is just a thief, plain and simple. You got this one WRONG Ronin.

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 01:41:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')5) leave me alone. I'm not answering e-mails or phone calls anymore. good bye --> runs off to Caribbean Islands while sitting on a beach drinking pina coladas


Is a Carribean Island where you REALLY want to be when your Paper Wealth turns into Toilet Paper? The locals will eviscerate your entrails. Personally, I'd prefer to be around friends who actually know how to fish. What a LOSER.

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Darn and I even gave you the links. He was over a year ago putting his own money into gold bars and other "metals" and advising others to do the same. The Caribbean idea is a stereotype reward retreat not a fact from any of the articles. He said he was tired of the grind and retiring, HE said nothing about sailing off to hide from anyone, That was YOUR bet. HIS words are in fact do not expect PROMPT replies etc. If an acquaintance rather than a wheeler dealer, I bet he is still answering personal calls.

For all you KNOW he is sitting at home in his paid off cabin 40 miles from YOU! Or at home on top of his bunker full of ammo and food.

Do you have some animosity for a successful fund manager that you have to imagine all these "other problems" about him instead of celebrating his successful retirement?

I bet those feet interfere with normal eating. That might explain why your regularity might be suffering lately?
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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 01:53:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'D')arn and I even gave you the links. He was over a year ago putting his own money into gold bars and other "metals" and advising others to do the same. The Caribbean idea is a stereotype reward retreat not a fact from any of the articles. He said he was tired of the grind and retiring, HE said nothing about sailing off to hide from anyone, That was YOUR bet. HIS words are in fact do not expect PROMPT replies etc. If an acquaintance rather than a wheeler dealer, I bet he is still answering personal calls.

For all you KNOW he is sitting at home in his paid off cabin 40 miles from YOU! Or at home on top of his bunker full of ammo and food.

Do you have some animosity for a successful fund manager that you have to imagine all these "other problems" about him instead of celebrating his successful retirement?

I bet those feet interfere with normal eating. That might explain why your regularity might be suffering lately?


If he put all his money into Gold instead of Red Fox Fur Mittens, he made a bad investment, particularly if he is a new neighbor of mine. He sure won't be buying MY mittens with a trunkload of American Eagles if he can fly them in here on his Private Jet. LOL.

Do I have an axe to grind with such a$$holes? You BETCHYA! I went to college with them, I watched the Greed destroy the planet through the course of my lifetime. I worked with these folks at Drexel and at Merrill. There are NO good ones, and this one is a CLEAR thief.

I am just glad I lived long enough to see these folks convulsing spasmodically as they watch the Bonfire. Its hilarious :-)

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 01:55:08

let me make it easy for you...read the headline and the date please..... You don't have to waste time by reading the entire article...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Hedge fund returns money
By James Mackintosh in London

Published: September 21 2008 21:17 | Last updated: September 21 2008 21:17

The best-performing hedge fund manager of the past two years has closed down his funds and is returning money to investors after concluding that the danger of losing money from a bank collapse is too high.

sheesh!
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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 02:05:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'l')et me make it easy for you...read the headline and the date please..... You don't have to waste time by reading the entire article...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Hedge fund returns money
By James Mackintosh in London

Published: September 21 2008 21:17 | Last updated: September 21 2008 21:17

The best-performing hedge fund manager of the past two years has closed down his funds and is returning money to investors after concluding that the danger of losing money from a bank collapse is too high.

sheesh!


I don't buy the spin, sorry. The "money" he is returning to these folks is most likely tied up in CDS contracts he cannot pay off on. Read the subtext Ronin, understand the psychology of a person like this, he explicitly states he was in the game to rip off other people.

These folks are not getting their money back. They are getting back a lot of worthless paper.

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby cube » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 02:10:28

to: Everybody

ReverseEngineer is on my *ignore list*

What that means is, he needs to leave me alone and STOP quoting me.

Doing so otherwise is proving to everybody that he is a Troll.
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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 02:20:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 't')o: Everybody

ReverseEngineer is on my *ignore list*

What that means is, he needs to leave me alone and STOP quoting me.


Your ignoring ME does NOT mean I have to ignore YOU. LOL. Besides, if you are IGNORING me, just HTF do you know I am "quoting" you? I have been responding to Ronin, not you.

Cube, you just cannot ignore me. You can take me on though :-) Feel free, be my guest. I will carve you up like Thanksgiving Turkey. I dont even need to pitch Napalm to do it. Your thinking is so shallow I can wade right through it and not even wet my toenails. LOL.

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 02:48:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'l')et me make it easy for you...read the headline and the date please..... You don't have to waste time by reading the entire article...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Hedge fund returns money
By James Mackintosh in London

Published: September 21 2008 21:17 | Last updated: September 21 2008 21:17

The best-performing hedge fund manager of the past two years has closed down his funds and is returning money to investors after concluding that the danger of losing money from a bank collapse is too high.

sheesh!


I don't buy the spin, sorry. The "money" he is returning to these folks is most likely tied up in CDS contracts he cannot pay off on. Read the subtext Ronin, understand the psychology of a person like this, he explicitly states he was in the game to rip off other people.

These folks are not getting their money back. They are getting back a lot of worthless paper.

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What do you do just make up FACTS as you go along to make your points?

Is this you in the picture?

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 04:05:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')What do you do just make up FACTS as you go along to make your points?


Facts? You think what you read onlline is"fact"? Is the spin we "might be approaching a recession" fact?

I make up no facts. I read the subtext. Its not what is said explicitly, it is what is NOT said that counts. Think for YOURSELF man! Does it make a whole lot of sense that a "succesful" hedge fund manager would just kiss it all off if he was not in serious danger of losing it ALL? The man cut and ran with what he could, plain and simple. He left the investors holding the bag. AKA, make a Good Bank and a Bad Bank, and leave the suckers with the bad bank and all the debt. Dick Fuld TRIED to do this, he failed. This fellow on a smaller scale succeeded at least briefly, but he is still a THIEF.

You gotta work your way out of a slavish belief that peoople make profit honestly in the market. I worked with these people, and honesty is about as common as finding an empty hole in a NJ Pilot at 3AM in the good old days. gather you are an honest trucker, I was also. You are however quite deluded if you think there are honest hedge fund managers.

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby drgoodword » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 04:17:55

Until I see something showing Lahde left to escape the consequences of mismanaging his clients' money, I'm inclined to believe he sincerely quit because he had secured financial independence and wanted out of the rat race.

This guy made a bit of a splash in November last year with a report that his fund had returned a 1000% by betting that the subprime crisis would tank the housing market. As the linked article noted, he was also opening another fund to apply the same principles on the commercial real estate market, working on the assumption that it too was going to decline (which it subsequently did, confirming the conventional wisdom that CRE follows residential housing by 12-18 months).

His investors probably did well with the second fund.
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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 04:32:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', 'U')ntil I see something showing Lahde left to escape the consequences of mismanaging his clients' money, I'm inclined to believe he sincerely quit because he had secured financial independence and wanted out of the rat race.


You will never see it. It will be lost in the mess we have before us. There is too much else much bigger going on here to concern youself with the fate of a few of Lahde's investors. It will never make the news.

Believe he was an honest man who just enjoyed hoodwinking Yalies if you like. I'm all for stealing from the rich to give to the poor, but Lahde was no Robin Hood. He was out there for Lahde, and when he perceived he could no longer hoodwink anyone, he booked out with what he could take. If his trade balance had tons of money in it, he would not have booked out. He was looking at huge losses and he left them for others to live with. A real coward.

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby pibe_of_grao » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 12:57:43

i have read about this guy and he seems legit. i dont know why you cant believe someone would retire when he makes enough money to live the rest of his life without responsibilities. if i were in the same position i would do the same. enjoy life.
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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby drgoodword » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 18:02:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'B')elieve he was an honest man who just enjoyed hoodwinking Yalies if you like. I'm all for stealing from the rich to give to the poor, but Lahde was no Robin Hood. He was out there for Lahde, and when he perceived he could no longer hoodwink anyone, he booked out with what he could take. If his trade balance had tons of money in it, he would not have booked out. He was looking at huge losses and he left them for others to live with. A real coward.


I think you've misunderstood his farewell letter.

You have to keep in mind the context of the success of his investment strategy in 2007-2008. He bet that the subprime crisis was not containted (while the opposite was preached back in 2007 by Bernanke and the MSM), and made his bets with that assumption. The "elite" that he was "stealing from" were the overeducated progeny of the ruling class who are just as incapable of independent thought as joe sixpack. While the "Yalies" were nodding their heads to Bernankes hollow assurances, Lahde took a hard look at the facts and concluded the housing bubble was going to fold like a cheap tent. And so it did.

As for "not hearing" about losses incurred by Lahde's clients...his farewell memo has been internationally reported. If he's burned people on the way to making his exit, we'll likely hear about it. At this point, it would definitely be news.

By the way...I don't "trust" Lahde because of some altruism or naivete on my part...I believe his story because he had the most winning strategy in 2007 (see the link in my above post). His plans to apply his methods and assumptions to the commercial real estate market were likely successful because the CRE market did just as badly this year as the residential housing market did last year. In light of this point, I think Occam's razor is in favour of a positive exit for Lahde.
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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 18:24:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', ' ')In light of this point, I think Occam's razor is in favour of a positive exit for Lahde.


Utilizing Occam's Razor, I find it just TOO coincidental that he timed his disappearance and booked out of the Hedge Fund Biz at PRECISELY the moment Hedge Funds are poised to collapse as the CDS market trips.

He left his investors with their money alright, just the money is invested in places its going to be impossible to get anything more than pennies on the dollar from.

In any event, he was clearly a smart thief who enjoyed picking the low hanging fruit. He said so. A personality like that cares no more for his investors than he does for the rubes he cheats on trades.

Such is the nature of people in this business. They are vermin in need of erradication.

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Lahde Quits Hedge Funds, Thanks `Idiots' for Success

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 02:24:16

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Re: Lahde Quits Hedge Funds, Thanks `Idiots' for Success

Unread postby the48thronin » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 02:43:44

day late

Check your wallet...LOL

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Re: How to close a hedge Fund

Unread postby Chuckmak » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 13:48:24

RE is trying to make points that aren't even relevant to the conversation just so he can "win" whatever argument he's arguing (and i don't even know what that is at this point). It's getting to the point of extreme annoyance.
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National Death Spirals & Hedge Funds

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 23 Oct 2008, 20:28:33

They are like sharks, the Hedge Funds. A lot of them are going belly up but others are circling around nations with debt problems. Argentina, Hungary, Ukraine, Estonia, Belarus. The list will grow to include Spain, Greece and Italy. Then the list will grow more. I don't know how they do it, shorting currencies or something like that, but the point seems to be that a country in trouble can yield big profits. Seems to be an old ruthless axiom that the time to make money is when there is blood in the streets. It's you die or somebody else dies.
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Re: National Death Spirals & Hedge Funds

Unread postby holmes » Fri 24 Oct 2008, 18:28:12

Things are not working like they used to. Greenspan said today or yesterday that the neoclassical economic calculations are not working like they are supposed to. Neoclassical economic theory will cease to exist as the resources dwindle globally. I understood that long ago.
Now with communism it never worked when resources were grade A and abundant. Can you imagine it now. even worse. hahahahaha!
Commies and flat earth crapitalists who continue to cling to their ancient ways are not going to be happy campers.
Yes the globalists are going to plunder every square inch of this planet.
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Re: National Death Spirals & Hedge Funds

Unread postby errorist » Fri 24 Oct 2008, 18:49:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '[')..]Yes the globalists are going to plunder every square inch of this planet.

Some square miles on this earth will be defended. Kein lebensraum.
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