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Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby midnight-gamer » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 20:34:16

Last week, I found a free dvd arrive unsolicited in my mail. The cover reads "Obsession" "Radical Islam's War Against The West" "Required Viewing for everyone" -Howard Gordon Executive Producer "24".
A banner says across the bottom "As seen on CNN and FOX news by more than 20 million viewers worldwide"
The inside cover reads.... "How can you help fight radical Islam?" and further encourages the reader to donate to this place, Clarionfund

This is the video's website, Obsession
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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby allmeyer » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 21:36:27

I just watched a movie called "Jesus Camp." It was about radical Christians preaching to children. It was scary.
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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 22:22:55

I received a copy of Obsession in the mail as well. Haven't looked at it tho'...

Clarion Fund:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he organization was founded by Canadian film producer Raphael Shore[3].

According to Clarion Fund's incorporation papers, it is based as the same address as Aish Hatorah, a pro-Israel organization.[4] The three founders of The Clarion Fund are or were full-time employees of Aish HaTorah.[5] Raphael Shore, the leader of The Clarion Fund is also a full-time employee of Aish HaTorah.[6] The Clarion Fund has collaborated with pro-Israel media watch organization HonestReporting in the production of its films. HonestReporting originally was a project of the Aish Hatorah organization.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ish HaTorah ("Fire of the Torah") is an Orthodox organization and yeshiva. Aish HaTorah, is a staunchly pro-Israel organization that promotes Jewish pride and helps send young Jewish Americans to Israel.[1] The organization's stated mission is "providing opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover their heritage." Its headquarters are in the Old City of Jerusalem. The government of Israel awarded it 40 percent of the land facing the Western Wall.
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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby DryGuy » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 22:50:23

I just watched a movie called "Jesus Camp." It was about radical Christians preaching to children. It was scary.

Was it scarier then beheading all infidels?
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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby IndigoMoon » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 22:53:57

I received the "Obsession" one too. I tossed it. It bothered me that I got it and what mailing list am I on that caused me to get it to begin with.

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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 22:55:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DryGuy', 'I') just watched a movie called "Jesus Camp." It was about radical Christians preaching to children. It was scary.

Was it scarier then beheading all infidels?


Actually, only a few 'infidels' have been beheaded. About a million Muslims have been bombed, starved, shot, and what-have-you to death by Americans.

So far. Obama or McCain will try for another million. And as that slaughter goes on, a few more 'infidels' will probably be beheaded.
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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby aflatoxin » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 23:28:03

I also got a copy of obsession. I couldn't get it to play on any of my DVD players

Tis unfortunate, I was going to use it as a homeschool lesson on propaganda for my teenager.
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Re: Your propaganda is in the mail

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 02:29:21

The movie is online if you want to watch it. As far as I'm concerned it's no more biased than anything Michael Moore does. It just shows one side of the story, but it is not without some factual basis.
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The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby SweetSmellofMoney » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 11:11:20

This man is a Nut job surely everybody understands that the radicals of the world and profiteers will continue their madness but to continue to instill fear and propaganda is insane for the lack of a better word.
Rather Global Leadership, Diplomacy and Cooperation is needed more so than standing in a crowded Theatre screaming Fire!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (AFP) — The world faces a growing risk of conflict over the next 20 to 30 years amid an unprecedented transfer of wealth and power from West to East, the US intelligence chief has said.
Michael McConnell, the director of national intelligence, predicted rising demand for scarce supplies of food and fuel, strategic competition over new technologies, and the spread of weapons of mass destruction.
"What I'm suggesting -- there's an increased potential for conflict," McConnell said in a speech Thursday to intelligence professionals in Nashville, Tennessee.
"During the period of this assessment, out to 2025, the probability for conflict between nations and within nation-state entities will be greater," he said.
Conditions for "large casualty terrorist attacks using chemical, biological, or less likely, nuclear materials" also will increase during that period, he said.
McConnell described a multi-polar world in 2025 shaped by the rise of China, India and Brazil, whose economies will by then match those of the western industrial states.
"In terms of size, speed, and directional flow, the transfer of global wealth and economic power, now underway, as noted from West to East is without precedent in modern history," McConnell said.

I believe its time that the Global Leadership and Intelligence coupled with the Social minded take the high ground and instill Genuine Global Leadership.
Nations found selling weapons to radicals or radical nations should be isolated and the most severe sanctions be imposed.
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby mark » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 14:13:20

Why do you call him a nutjob?

Are you saying that there won't be more conflict as the US loses its dominance? Are you looking forward to a gentle slide down the depletion curve? Are we all going to join hands singing Kumbay-ya around the camp fire?

Peak oil or not, when an old order falls apart, as is now taking place in the financial world, to be followed soon in the real world, conflicts increase. Would you be surprised to see that conflict erupt in our own country? Listen to vitriol from the mouths of the right-wing wackos on the radio. What's even scarier is to then hear the comments from the mouth-breathers that make up their audience. When the southwest begins to dry out and blow away, are the rest of us, suffering our own depredations, going to come to their rescue? When the hope that Obama embodies begins to fade away next summer, then what? That's assuming that he manages to escape Kerry's fate, never a safe bet when republicans have so much practice stealing elections.

Conflict? I can't imagine a world without it. I can hope, but I've too much experience trading the markets to place my bet on hope.
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby RdSnt » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 14:27:10

So, you are prepared to step up to the plate and make the necessary choices and sacrifices to accomplish this?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SweetSmellofMoney', 'T')his man is a Nut job surely everybody understands that the radicals of the world and profiteers will continue their madness but to continue to instill fear and propaganda is insane for the lack of a better word.
Rather Global Leadership, Diplomacy and Cooperation is needed more so than standing in a crowded Theatre screaming Fire!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (AFP) — The world faces a growing risk of conflict over the next 20 to 30 years amid an unprecedented transfer of wealth and power from West to East, the US intelligence chief has said. --snip--
"In terms of size, speed, and directional flow, the transfer of global wealth and economic power, now underway, as noted from West to East is without precedent in modern history," McConnell said.

I believe its time that the Global Leadership and Intelligence coupled with the Social minded take the high ground and instill Genuine Global Leadership.
Nations found selling weapons to radicals or radical nations should be isolated and the most severe sanctions be imposed.


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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 15:13:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mark', 'C')onflict? I can't imagine a world without it. I can hope, but I've too much experience trading the markets to place my bet on hope.

I'd rather have unrealistic hope than cynicism and fatalism.
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby mark » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 16:16:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')I'd rather have unrealistic hope than cynicism and fatalism.

Of all the comments I've seen on this board, the above clearly and succinctly sums up our collective problem (and confirms why I remain a doomer, mostly).Its odd, and perhaps explains why we humans so consistently screw the pooch, that we should prefer ignorance to reality. I guess facing up to our situation now constitutes "cynicism and fatalism."

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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby highlander » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 16:28:52

I don't see where cynicsm or fatalism have proved to be more accurate than hope, realistic or not.
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 17:52:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SweetSmellofMoney', 'T')his man is a Nut job surely everybody understands that the radicals of the world and profiteers will continue their madness but to continue to instill fear and propaganda is insane for the lack of a better word.
Rather Global Leadership, Diplomacy and Cooperation is needed more so than standing in a crowded Theatre screaming Fire!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (AFP) — The world faces a growing risk of conflict over the next 20 to 30 years amid an unprecedented transfer of wealth and power from West to East, the US intelligence chief has said.
Michael McConnell, the director of national intelligence, predicted rising demand for scarce supplies of food and fuel, strategic competition over new technologies, and the spread of weapons of mass destruction. --snip--
Nations found selling weapons to radicals or radical nations should be isolated and the most severe sanctions be imposed.

I don't see the meaning of your comments. It's increasingly obvious that the power's been shifting to the East, as for instance the oft-forgotten failure of the Doha negotiations showed. The Old Order won't go don't quietly; the financial commentators keep on saying that it will be the continuous strong growth in China that will save the world economy of going beyond the tipping point, but as soon as the US and Europe get out of this mess, they'll want to get back to the way things were before, and Chindia won't have none of that.

Just read the news about the rising nationalism in China, and how they've been answering to France's attitude on the Olympic Torches: Carrefour on fire!

And India? President Bush and the Congress have approved a deal with them that effectively removed all the authority of the IAEA, allowing India to buy atomic material without signing the Comprehensive Test Ban or the Non-Proliferation Agreement - something only time will tell if it wasn't the greatest of all Bush Administration's many errors.

The people in these countries are nationalist, proud and just as loving of their homes as we are. Our companies can only go there right now to sell Human Resources and Strategy. They have a much greater growing potential than us. They'll overtake us.

Think we'll go down quietly?

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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby Concerned » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 17:54:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'I') don't see where cynicsm or fatalism have proved to be more accurate than hope, realistic or not.

WWII Germany. One saying of the day was "enjoy the war the peace will be terrible"

2008 socialist bailout of capitalist banking system. aka welfare for the ultra rich.

But sure you go for it keep on hoping "realistic or not" as you say.

Besides you can be cynical and have an assymetrical approach e.g. the preperation forum that may or may not see you better off than the average joe six pack.
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby SweetSmellofMoney » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 23:06:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SweetSmellofMoney', ' ')--snip--
I don't see the meaning of your comments. It's increasingly obvious that the power's been shifting to the East, as for instance the oft-forgotten failure of the Doha negotiations showed. The Old Order won't go don't quietly; the financial commentators keep on saying that it will be the continuous strong growth in China that will save the world economy of going beyond the tipping point, but as soon as the US and Europe get out of this mess, they'll want to get back to the way things were before, and Chindia won't have none of that.

Just read the news about the rising nationalism in China, and how they've been answering to France's attitude on the Olympic Torches: Carrefour on fire!

And India? President Bush and the Congress have approved a deal with them that effectively removed all the authority of the IAEA, allowing India to buy atomic material without signing the Comprehensive Test Ban or the Non-Proliferation Agreement - something only time will tell if it wasn't the greatest of all Bush Administration's many errors.

The people in these countries are nationalist, proud and just as loving of their homes as we are. Our companies can only go there right now to sell Human Resources and Strategy. They have a much greater growing potential than us. They'll overtake us.
Think we'll go down quietly?

I suppose I could get into this long and winding speech about Freedom! But I would rather let the spoken words of Great Men make my point!

Do I Fear China, India or any other nation not likely, so should I fear the radicals of the world not likely!

Here is what I think! To live life under Bush's Paraniod views are far more depressing to me as a Freeman!

"There ought to be limits to freedom". ~George W. Bush

Certainly the 911 Commission had said it best!:
"Certainly the dozens of panelists who spoke about post-9/11 violations of civil rights and liberties, the rise of secrecy and the hidden costs of covert operations and consolidation of intelligence, and the rise of the neoconservative view in foreign policy and a new "Pax Americana" and permanent warfare that ignore international law or the alternatives of restoring justice and peace cannot be called "conspiracy theorists" because they question the immediate response and flawed recommendations that now guide legislation and a new security paradigm".

Then we have this to follow Fear!:
Patriot Act, is a controversial Act of Congress that U.S. President George Walker Bush signed into law on October 26, 2001.

Not much different than this:
Hitler took control in an entirely legal manner. It is worthwhile for high school students to research the Emergency Decree and Enabling Act of 1933, following the burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building intentionally set to create panic.

I prefer the very words of Benjamin Franklin!:
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."
"Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security."

No Sir, I fear no Evil. I fear the loss of my freedoms more than Death!
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 03 Nov 2008, 23:52:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mark', 'I') guess facing up to our situation now constitutes "cynicism and fatalism."

What exactly is "facing up" to the problem? What are people supposed to do if they feel that billions of people are going to die off no matter what we do?
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby 3degreesoffreedom » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 03:45:39

Um, get your house in order?

Swwetsmell, the reichstag was parliment of what? not germany
it was, adccording to wikipedia, It was the parliament of the Holy Roman Empire, the North German Confederation of countries,

It was the UNITED NATIONS OF THE WORLD EMPIRE...
And Hitler was made soveriegn of this....
He was the golden boy, the third reich, to reumight europe again like the good old days... 'dint work.

So suddenly cold shooulder, distance, we dont know this guy...
this is way different than thinking he was leader of Germany
think about it, that was the old world order. Me thinks the NEW world order will be the same...

Everyone is afraid to mention who the illuminati is and who the PTB really are when for 1700 years the old world order always was the Holy Roman empire of the Germanic nations...

no web site ever mentions this or discusses it, all the shills never say anything about it, and Prison planet NEVER mentions it, that is his shill job to prevent this info from coming out.

you see... the NEW WORLD ORDER will be the same ol' world order returning. they still own all the money in the world. we already have the American inquisition... We're all set.

Is it highly IM=possible that GW gets elected to the United Nations, wouldn't that be a gas? Ok, so that won't happen. Would be a good deja vue.
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Re: The final days of a Decade of Fearmongering / Propaganda

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 06:39:20

This thread is getting somewhat paranoid!
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No. Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers?"
Yes. As practice. You have to start out learning to believe the little lies.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
Yes. Justice. Mercy. Duty. That sort of thing.
"They're not the same at all!"
Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder and sieve it through with the finest sieve and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet you act as if there were some sort of rightness in the universe by which it may be judged.
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My point exactly.

Substitute freedom for any of the big ones up there; we're all just pawns. But, before you jump on my throat, a warning: I would be one of the people who would go up in arms to defend my "freedom"; so will the Chinese, the Indians, the Afghans, the Iraqis, the Americans, everyone. When the balance of power shifts, even big lies get trampled.
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