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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby strider3700 » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 12:40:41

First off lets slam the tenant

She's lived in a home for 38 years but needed to take out a 30 year loan to pay the rest of it off? What the hell type of mortgage did she get almost 40 years ago?

She borrowed $56,000in the same year that her house was valued at just over half of that? And what was this going to be spent on? I seriously doubt she overpaid so much on her mortgage in 1970 that this money was for the house.

Now lets slam the bankers

Who the fuck gives a 30 year mortgage to someone 90 years old? Hell going off average life expectancies she's already on borrowed time.

How can they justify loaning that much money when the home is worth so little.
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby seazar » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 12:57:03

It's criminal - someone should be going to jail over this one!
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby 3rensho » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 13:31:57

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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby Denny » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 21:40:27

Something's pretty peculiar here. That home has to be worth much more than the $31,000 appraised value. You can't buy a chicken coop anymore in a city for that amount.

For sure, it would have to worth $125,000 or more, unless the insides have been burned out?

Its a detached home with a normal size lot in the picture.
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby IndigoMoon » Sat 04 Oct 2008, 22:47:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'S')omething's pretty peculiar here. That home has to be worth much more than the $31,000 appraised value. You can't buy a chicken coop anymore in a city for that amount.
For sure, it would have to worth $125,000 or more, unless the insides have been burned out?
Its a detached home with a normal size lot in the picture.


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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby DryGuy » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 01:37:23

Man I don't want to seem cold...but... you really should have your house paid off half way to 90 years old.
Suicide ... you either do it ...or you don't.... there is no try.
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 01:48:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DryGuy', 'M')an I don't want to seem cold...but... you really should have your house paid off half way to 90 years old.
Suicide ... you either do it ...or you don't.... there is no try.


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The point here would be that about everyone, including 90 year old Grandmothers AND owners of Automotive Pants cannot "do it". Irredeemable debt throughout the society.

You wanna blame the 90 year odl Grandma for not being able to pay up on her mortgage? How about blaming bankers who took the wealth, multiplied it up at 10:1 and LOST it all on bad bets? No, we should bail them out? What?

Identifying the failures of individuals to succeed is easy, likewise placing the blame therein is easy. However, the real failure here is in aggregate, not in the individual.

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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby MarkJ » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 09:58:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'S')omething's pretty peculiar here. That home has to be worth much more than the $31,000 appraised value. You can't buy a chicken coop anymore in a city for that amount.

For sure, it would have to worth $125,000 or more, unless the insides have been burned out?

Its a detached home with a normal size lot in the picture.


Judging by the dirt cheap asking prices of homes in the Summit County region of Ohio, she was probably lucky to get that appraisal on a 100 year old home.

This REMAX Agent lists 456 properties 30K and under in the Summit County region. Some of the homes actually look somewhat decent and have relatively cheap property taxes as well.

We have some cheap city properties in my region of Upstate New York, but many need extensive work, they should be demolished and/or they have high property taxes.
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 14:41:51

I am still trying to figure out how you attempt suicide by shooting yourself in the shoulder?

Even for a 90 year old women, how is that attempting suicide?
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 14:49:03

It had a happy ending though !

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')annie Mae said it will set aside the loan of a woman who shot herself as sheriff's deputies tried to evict her from her foreclosed home.

On Friday, Fannie Mae spokesman Brian Faith said the mortgage association had decided to halt action against Polk and sign the property "outright" to her.

"We're going to forgive whatever outstanding balance she had on the loan and give her the house," Faith said. "Given the circumstances, we think it's appropriate."
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby firefly » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 15:14:21

Couldn't buy this kind of advertising for 45,000 dollars.

Fannie mae is not a nice guy despite this.
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 10 Oct 2008, 22:04:05

From the second linked story on this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e hurried downstairs and let the deputies in. He said they told him they found Polk's car keys, pocketbook and life insurance policy laid out neatly where they could be found, suggesting that she intended to kill herself.

Deputies had tried to serve Polk's eviction notice more than 30 times before Wednesday's incident, Sommerville said. She never came to the door, but the notes the deputies left would always disappear, so they knew she was inside and ambulatory, he said.


Very sad. Deputies were at the house THIRTY times to evict. This confused, old woman never came to the door, didn't know what to do. So she planned her suicide.

I think the local sheriff's deparatment did a pretty poor job. First of all, if the old woman didn't come to the door 30 friggin times, they should have done some investigation to make sure she was alright.

Secondly, they should gotten some social services involved to help place this lady in a nursing home. It's no wonder she was so scared, when they evict you, you and all your stuff is literally on the street. A 90 year old simply can't cope with that.
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 10 Oct 2008, 22:22:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', 'S')he should have shot on the policemen before attempting to kill her.


Why is it their fault?
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Re: Ohio woman, 90, attempts suicide after foreclosure

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 10 Oct 2008, 23:51:07

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gun control ??
More a sign of the easy availability of guns.


Yes, this was clearly due to a LACK of gun control.

Next time, she should use both hands.
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Question About Foreclosures

Unread postby InToWishin » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 22:53:57

I'm sort of interested in dynamics of a foreclosure especially with regard to what happens to the bank when they trade a steady stream of income for a property (say a skyscraper or a church or a shopping mall or a hotel) that costs money in the form of utility bills, maintenance and taxes even when idling on the market. Can anybody help me with more about these details? Thanks.
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Re: Question About Foreclosures

Unread postby perdition79 » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 00:22:17

The banks will dump those foreclosed commercial properties for pennies on the dollar, to cut their losses. Houses in Detroit can be had for a buck, just because the bank can't afford the few grand a year it costs to hold onto them. Check Realtor.com for lowest-price houses in Detroit, MI. It's funny and sad at the same time.
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Re: Question About Foreclosures

Unread postby InToWishin » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 06:46:34

Edith to Archie: "Oh, but Archie, what about the commercial foreclosures? Those could cost 10s to 100s of millions."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Commercial foreclosures increase in Dallas-Fort Worth
... According to a report released by Foreclosure Listing Service Inc., Dallas-Fort Worth commercial real estate foreclosure postings have increased 32 percent above the same time a year ago.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]High-end foreclosures available
... “Foreclosures are no longer perceived as distressed property because the collapse of the subprime mortgage sector flooded the real estate market with so many high-end foreclosures,” said Webb, whose company is auctioning off about 80 Houston-area homes this week.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Developers constructing a plan for survival
... One Colorado Springs developer closed his office four months ago, hasn't been able to borrow money and expects to lose all his properties to foreclosure.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]County leads foreclosure list for area
... Denton County topped the list of regional counties in the number of commercial foreclosure postings this year — a statistic first apparent in October after the first three quarters in 2008. ... The county showed a 78 percent increase in commercial foreclosures with Collin County closing in at 72 percent, according to records from Foreclosure Listing Service Inc.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Pleasantville Business Center taking risk in tough times
... Commercial mortgage and real estate experts say next year could bring an increase in delinquencies, defaults and a rash of "distressed" property sales as the credit markets remain tight, company layoffs affect office units and billions of dollars of loans made in 2006 and 2007 come due.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Economic outlook: Woe, woe, woe
... A wave of commercial foreclosures is expected to hit in 2009 and peak in 2010 because of the rising vacancy rates in retail and office space, Restrepo said.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Phoenix high-rise among largest commercial foreclosures
... A large commercial lender filed one of the biggest office property foreclosure notices in the Valley’s history on an 18-story building in the heart of Phoenix.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Office values dip in suburbs
... In its third-quarter report, Jones Lang LaSalle, the global real estate company, says “experts now fear the impending rise of commercial foreclosures.”

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Real estate a trap for metro Atlanta couple
... Buried under three mortgages, two education loans and private school bills for their two children, “we don’t sleep at night,” Adam said, sitting with her husband outside a Starbucks at Atlantic Station. ... “Activity levels in the commercial real estate sector have nearly reached a standstill … and experts now fear the impending rise of commercial foreclosures,” a recent report from Jones Lang LaSalle stated.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]State tax collections expected to take 9.1 percent hit
... “I see a wave of commercial foreclosures” in Las Vegas, [Vice Chairman] Restrepo said.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Economic Forecast
... He also sees an increase in commercial foreclosures over the next six to 12 months, and predicts it will be sometime beyond 2011 before vacancies of commercial properties return to the levels of recent years.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Texas is vulnerable to commercial foreclosures
... Hotels in Tucson, Ariz., and Hilton Head, S.C., are about to default on their mortgages. And in North Texas, struggling Six Flags Mall in Arlington ended up in foreclosure after being scheduled again and again for auction.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Forecast: Rosy outlook for legal specialties
... One particular area in which Wurst said he expects to see more business is commercial foreclosures. When big-box retailers like Circuit City and Linens ‘N Things go out of business and close stores, the landlords of many Long Island strip malls can no longer collect those hefty rents. If those landlords default on their loans and banks foreclose on the properties, even more businesses could go out of business on Long Island, he said.
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Re: Question About Foreclosures

Unread postby seahorse » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 10:10:25

As a lawyer, in my personal experience in my local area, banks are reluctant to sell foreclosed homes and are in fact, holding onto them and continuing to "book" them with inflated values. Here's a post I made on the subject:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the ongoing residential bust, I always wondered why banks weren't simply willing to pull the trigger and get rid of the foreclosed homes for whatever they could get. Well, its not that simple, bc in the end, they don't have enough capital to allow them to get rid of them. They have to hold the houses and claim a false value on the defaulted properties hoping they can sell them later at the price they have in the properties - Enron banking style.

Why must they show them on their books with false inflated values? Keep in mind the assets and liabilities of a bank. Deposits are liabilities that in addition they have to pay interest on. Loans are considered assets, as long as they are good. Basically, the assets and liabilities of a bank must maintain a certain proportion, otherwise, they are bankrupt. So, when a bank forecloses, they take the house back, replacing the asset value of the good loan with the asset value of the home they are holding - if they take a loss on the home or mark it down to its true deflated value, it reduces their assets.


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You raise an interesting question on commercial loans. They are the next shoe to drop. It is not an easy solution, for I'm confident that on these really big commercial projects there are multiple banks involved with each loan.
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Re: Question About Foreclosures

Unread postby InToWishin » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 11:51:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Foreclosure crisis creates unique hardships for apartment renters

South Florida apartment renters can face grim living conditions when their landlords enter foreclosure and stop paying bills. Some are taking matters into their own hands.
BY MONICA HATCHER
mhatcher (at) MiamiHerald.com
Dec 17, 2008

After working a full day and tending to her three children, the last thing Latasha Jones felt like doing was making the rounds in her apartment complex to collect contributions for the building's water bill. But she had no choice -- the landlord, in foreclosure, had abandoned the building and stopped paying it.

More than once over the past year, tenants of the 11-unit Liberty City complex had come home to find the water shut off. Eventually, they stopped paying rent and took the matter into their own hands, forming a kind of rudimentary condo association to manage the property at 1575 NW 69th St.

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So will rudimentary markets inhabit foreclosed on shopping malls?

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How To Put a Positive Spin on a Hotel Foreclosure

Unread postby InToWishin » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 14:57:10

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