Let's see now...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'I')t may surprise you that the idea for the NAU came from a Canadian, one Herbert Gubel
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Re: Is this the Impetus to mandate the Amero?
by Nickel » Wed 24 Sep 2008, 11:55:26
This is your all-out effort, the best you can muster? Thanks for tossing me something to work with... Let's see now...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'I')t may surprise you that the idea for the NAU came from a Canadian, one Herbert Gubel
Let's see now...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'I')t may surprise you that the idea for the NAU came from a Canadian, one Herbert Gubel
It may surprise you to know that hearing this idea emerged from The Fraser Institute doesn't surprise me whatsoever. Do you even know what The Fraser Institute is? It's one of those 'what's good for GM is good for the country' pro-business anti-labour "think tanks" that gets paid to run studies that rich guys can nod sagely over as they booze in their exclusive clubs. Nobody who doesn't work in the upper 15 floors of any building on Bay Street takes what comes out of The Fraser Institute to heart; certainly I don't. The Fraser Institute's been harping on for years about a common currency (when the C$ was low, we needed it to to make imports affordable so Canadian industry didn't get soft; when the C$ was high, we needed it so our export market wouldn't get crushed... any spin to get the bottle pointed to their favourite dream), but here's the juice: no Canadian government has ever acted on it. That's the telling point. There will ALWAYS be opinions; I'm asking for evidence of governmental intent... like our pending negotiations with the EU, for example.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'Y')our PM(s), our President(s) and Mexico’s have been discussing the NAU and will continue to
Okay, I read it. Where do you see a single instance of intended surrender of sovereignty to a supra-national body? The words "common currency", "currency union", "labor mobility" (indeed, even "labor" alone), "currency peg", and "free movement"do not even appear in the speech of any of the leaders. The words "interest rates" occur only once, when Bush mentions they're low, not in the context of a joint mechanism for managing them. This is nothing more than exactly what it seems: three leaders talking about trilateral issues that will be decided by negotiation and then enacted by three separate governments, the same as it's always been.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'H')ere’s a good one, scroll down to Shadow Government
Yeah, here's the part I like: "'Critics maintain the partnership will sacrifice U.S. sovereignty by establishing a “North American Union,” with open borders and a common currency.'" I believe that's what you just alleged. However, they provide absolutely no more proof of this than you just did by providing a link. It's paranoid hearsay that not backed by a single instance of proof.
Here's another good one: "...networked by a NAFTA Super Highway..." Ah, yes, that nasty road that leads to all evil! With the regularity that THAT one gets dredged up, I'm utterly amazed you guys haven't blown up I-95 and I-75 by now. Do you know how much evil Canadian/US trade has already soared back and forth on them? How can I have failed to notice the Stars and Stripes are now flying on Parliament Hill as a result, and the Mexican flag saluted every morning as it rises at the White House?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'A') poll taken in 2001 found that over 50% of French speaking Canadians supported the NAU and 35% of English speaking Canucks did as well…
And? What happened?
Also, any idea what those numbers are SINCE 9/11, SINCE the invasion of Iraq, SINCE the mind-boggling kneecapping of the United States economy and the dollar that serves as its lifeblood?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'O')ne more just for fun:
http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/menu-en.aspx
Yeah. I believe we've seen that one before. And here's what it says: "...the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) is an ongoing dialogue that seeks to address common challenges, strengthen security and enhance the quality of life for the citizens of Canada, the United States, and Mexico." Colour me underwhelmed, I believe is what I said the first time I quoted it. "An ongoing dialog"... oooo, scary! NOT. I would HOPE we would have "an ongoing dialog" with neighbouring countries on matters of common concern; hell, I hope we have "ongoing dialogs" with pretty much every other country on Earth.
What I DON'T see here is something like this:
"The North America Union (NAU) is a political and economic union of three member states, located in North America. It was established by the Treaty of the North American Union in 2000 upon the foundations of the pre-existing North American Free Trade Agreement. With almost 500 million citizens, the NAU combined generates an estimated 30% share of the world's nominal gross domestic product (US$16.8 trillion in 2007).[3]
The NAU has developed a single market through a standardised system of laws which apply in all member states, guaranteeing the freedom of movement of people, goods, services and capital. It maintains a common trade policy, agricultural and fisheries policies, and a regional development policy. The member states have adopted a common currency, the amero. It has developed a role in foreign policy, representing its members in the World Trade Organisation, at G8 summits and at the United Nations."
...That's cribbed from a description of a REAL supra-national union, the EU. NONE of that is true for North America, and NONE of it is even in the works.
When it is, let us know.
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