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Bunkers and the bunker mentality re: issue of peak oil

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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby roccman » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:29:25

580 down.... Hmmmmmmmm....
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:34:04

JIM CRAMER TAKE YOUR MONEY OUT NOW!, link WTF??? is mainstream now!!!!!
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Gebari » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:37:51

Got popcorn? Actually to hell with popcorn, I need a drink.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby yesplease » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:41:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'J')IM CRAMER TAKE YOUR MONEY OUT NOW!, link WTF??? is mainstream now!!!!!
He ain't dumb. Sell on the high to make the money, then push the lows to make even more money off of the next high.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:48:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gebari', 'G')ot popcorn? Actually to hell with popcorn, I need a drink.

Something heavy today :cry: This is going down.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby emeraldg40 » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:56:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gebari', 'G')ot popcorn? Actually to hell with popcorn, I need a drink.
Something heavy today :cry: This is going down.

Aw com on you're good for 5 years! Just ride the ride, it is what it is :)
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Spanktron9 » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:58:57

Cue Lord Vader's theme. The Empire is upon us.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Iaato » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:59:10

Are we having fun yet? Got gold yet?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere is how the Supplementary Financing Program is alleged to work. The U.S. Treasury Department sells Treasury securities in a public auction and deposits the cash proceeds with the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve thus has “cash for use in the Federal Reserve initiatives”.

Sounds simple enough, but do not be fooled! That is only a part of the story. If the Treasury securities were merely sold into the market and the proceeds were loaned to the Federal Reserve, there would be no impact on Reserve Balances or the Monetary Base. Or as Ed Bugos likes to say, the liquidity would be “sterilized”. In other words, the operation would merely represent a shift of existing money supply within the financial system. Not an injection of new cash. Yet what we have witnessed in the past few weeks is a massive increase in Reserve Balances to the tune of over $160 billion.

And that can only mean one thing: the Fed is now monetizing banking assets (or at least is preparing to do so). This is a bona fide helicopter operation, the first of its kind during the current credit crisis and certainly the largest in the history of First World central banking since the Great Depression. What we don’t know is if these Reserve Balances will turn into Federal Reserve Notes and get stuffed under the mattress as panicked depositors continue to withdraw cash from the banking system or if these Reserve Balances will get loaned out by the banks whose assets are being monetized. If the former, the hyperinflation will be delayed until the cash is taken back out from under the mattress, which will happen once the bank runs have abated. If the latter, hyperinflation could come fast and furious.

In effect, what’s really happening is that the Treasury is borrowing money into existence at the Monetary Base level. This is exactly the same thing that Weimar Germany did. What the Germans (and the Argentinians, Zimbabweans, etc.) found out, and what our “benevolent” leaders will also discover, is that the printing press is a slippery slope to oblivion. The worst-case outcome of giving into this temptation is almost unfathomable.


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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:22:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?

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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:50:04

People is starting to realize that the proper word is not recession, is depression (yes, like in the 30s, like TSHTF):
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Nearly six out of ten Americans believe another economic depression is likely, according to a poll released Monday.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 Americans over the weekend, cited common measures of the economic pain of the 1930s:
* 25% unemployment rate
* Widespread bank failures
* Millions of Americans homeless and unable to feed their families
In response, 21% of those polled say that a depression is very likely and another 38% say it is somewhat likely.


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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby dunewalker » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 16:10:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'M')y guess is that today's marching orders for the Plunge Protection Team are to: "Hold the dow above 10,000 at all costs!"...We shall see...

Pretty impressive performance by the PPT, I have to say. At 4:01pm Wall Street time the Dow read 10,000.36. Not bad for such a day, at one point down at least 780 points. Too bad the PPT let it slip away after the bell, ending at 9,955.50 for the day, down a modest 369.88 at 4:09pm.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 20:25:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'A')re we having fun yet? Got gold yet?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere is how the Supplementary Financing Program is alleged to work. The U.S. Treasury Department sells Treasury securities in a public auction and deposits the cash proceeds with the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve thus has “cash for use in the Federal Reserve initiatives”.

Sounds simple enough, but do not be fooled! That is only a part of the story. If the Treasury securities were merely sold into the market and the proceeds were loaned to the Federal Reserve, there would be no impact on Reserve Balances or the Monetary Base. Or as Ed Bugos likes to say, the liquidity would be “sterilized”. In other words, the operation would merely represent a shift of existing money supply within the financial system. Not an injection of new cash. Yet what we have witnessed in the past few weeks is a massive increase in Reserve Balances to the tune of over $160 billion.

And that can only mean one thing: the Fed is now monetizing banking assets (or at least is preparing to do so). This is a bona fide helicopter operation, the first of its kind during the current credit crisis and certainly the largest in the history of First World central banking since the Great Depression. What we don’t know is if these Reserve Balances will turn into Federal Reserve Notes and get stuffed under the mattress as panicked depositors continue to withdraw cash from the banking system or if these Reserve Balances will get loaned out by the banks whose assets are being monetized. If the former, the hyperinflation will be delayed until the cash is taken back out from under the mattress, which will happen once the bank runs have abated. If the latter, hyperinflation could come fast and furious.

In effect, what’s really happening is that the Treasury is borrowing money into existence at the Monetary Base level. This is exactly the same thing that Weimar Germany did. What the Germans (and the Argentinians, Zimbabweans, etc.) found out, and what our “benevolent” leaders will also discover, is that the printing press is a slippery slope to oblivion. The worst-case outcome of giving into this temptation is almost unfathomable.


Ed Bugos-Siveraxis


I've been bringing up this point lately, as I substantially agree withwhat Bugos says.

As of today, the Treasury has borrowed $400 billion and deposited that money to the Fed. Auctions in the next few days total about $130 billion more.

Since the $530 billion is only partly 'sterilized', essentially most of the money deposited at the Fed is relent - and essentially creates new money. This is in addition to the various Fed loan programs, which now have in sum passed $1 trillion.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 21:17:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?

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Ummm...yeah

Global markets crash and gold up $30.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Spanktron9 » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 22:01:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?

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Ummm...yeah

Global markets crash and gold up $30.


Why Rocc, you sound as if you believe that there are invisible hands at work?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 07 Oct 2008, 01:37:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?

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Global markets crash and gold up $30.


Oh I wasn't necessarily agreeing with the perspective (tho' if one were heading into a bunker for an extended stay, it's hard to see a large cache of gold bars being particularly useful)... I just thought the way it was put was hilarious.
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 07 Oct 2008, 08:20:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')f "it's bunker time" why the fark do you care about the price of gold? You evolved some enzyme that lets you digest the stuff?

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Global markets crash and gold up $30.


Oh I wasn't necessarily agreeing with the perspective (tho' if one were heading into a bunker for an extended stay, it's hard to see a large cache of gold bars being particularly useful)... I just thought the way it was put was hilarious.


Narz liquidated his honey a few months ago. I made him a fair offer...he declined.

Truth is - the guy is flat ass broke - is selling the small amount of preps to float from one living room floor to the next.

He said that out of spite and stupidity.

If it is bunker time why sell your honey Narz.?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 07 Oct 2008, 09:00:06

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So why Narz were you selling your honey in April?

1) it was too heavy on the bike
2) you needed lunch money
3) it is a useless product


And yesterday you were heading up to Pstarrville...in april you said you were going to eastern canada (about 4,000 miles difference).

Do you even have a plan...or do you move from one pot farm to the next?
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 07 Oct 2008, 10:09:26

dang - and i thought the "leave no banker behind" bailout was working this morning...

dow in the red again.

fed to buy more shlT sandwiches...

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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 07 Oct 2008, 10:10:55

oh ...

and dollar getting DESTROYED!
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Re: It's BUNKER time !!!

Unread postby Spanktron9 » Tue 07 Oct 2008, 11:21:03

EU just came out of their meeting and shrugged. CNBC commentator quipped "So much for systemic coordinated response! "
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