How about we just recognize there are too many people. Famine persists in Mexico though unacknowledged. Outside the tourist areas, people are actually starving to death. Witnessed by my own eyes.
Those that do come to the US usually come in search of survival for themselves and their families.
Geopolitical realities throughout Right-wing Latin American create a starving population. You need go no further than the outskirts of Mexico City where children search dumps for food and drink contaminated water.
Right-wing policies see the world as consisting of winners and losers. Losers get the dump. Well, there are more and more who are not satisfied with that, and change is coming.
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Re: It is over!
by Cid_Yama » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 20:36:42
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry
The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
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Re: It is over!
by Jotapay » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 20:40:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'I')ts an excuse really... so much 'they'... with broad brush strokes sweeping the field.
Social science is built on useful generalizations. You know it's true since you live here, but I'll dig up the statistics if I have to. I'm not going to cite individual references for all my points either, so I guess you'll have to get used to some generalizations for the time being.
Illegals are an unbalanced drain on taxpayers resources, plain and simple.
My girlfriend took 7 years to immigrate here legally and become a US citizen. She works two jobs now, including teaching at the local community college to give back to the community. How dare you suggest that other people can flaunt the immigration laws simply with the excuse that "they work hard", after she worked her ass off to become a citizen through the proper channels. The process took almost a decade. Illegals get a free ride until they start paying taxes and buying insurance, in the mean time completely throwing a monkey wrench in the health care, insurance and school system, and living off the insurance money and tax money of citizens. I pay for them to be here. So that gives me a right to voice my opinion about it, since I'm financially vested in the matter.
Before you get all high on your horse, my ex-wife was a teacher in a Central Texas community with ~20% illegal immigrants. Her biggest frustrations came from illegal families. Her advice about what needed to be done at home to improve the students' grades fell on deaf ears. Children were pulled out of school in April to go back to Mexico with their families, as this is the seasonal, traditional time to return to work back home. This virtually negated their year of school in the US and presented the administration with a difficult decision about whether these children could ever be passed to the next grade. The illegal families showed no respect to the school; the family was more important.
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Re: It is over!
by Jotapay » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 20:44:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')gentR,
I agree. Texas was once Mexico. The reason there are so many Hispanics is, THEY were here first.
And don't forget the indigineous American Indian population.
Anglo Texans would rather believe the myth of an Anglo-Republican state, suffering as a result of those miserable little non-anglo immigrants.
I agree. Texas was once Mexico. The reason there are so many Hispanics is, THEY were here first.
And don't forget the indigineous American Indian population.
Anglo Texans would rather believe the myth of an Anglo-Republican state, suffering as a result of those miserable little non-anglo immigrants.
My God man, that is such a tired argument. Can you please list for me all the displaced people and government changes throughout history and how we must right their wrongs?
Don't forget to include the indian tribes in America who were displaced by other indian tribes in America before the white man got here, because we have to include them in this conversation too. They demand justice as well.
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Re: It is over!
by Cid_Yama » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 20:45:03
Idiot,
The US throughout it's history has respected the realities of migrant farm labor. It's not disrepect of the system. It's the growing season, dummy.
The US throughout it's history has respected the realities of migrant farm labor. It's not disrepect of the system. It's the growing season, dummy.
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Re: It is over!
by Jotapay » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 20:46:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')don't blame the illegal, blame the extortionist buisness owners that hire them. if you'd line those buisness owner punks up against the wall for such crimes, the illegals wouldn't come here in the first place.
')don't blame the illegal, blame the extortionist buisness owners that hire them. if you'd line those buisness owner punks up against the wall for such crimes, the illegals wouldn't come here in the first place.
I agree. We have laws, they just need to be enforced. But they aren't, for obvious reasons, as you described. Cheap lettuce (and cheap labor with no rights) speaks for itself very loudly to many people.
What the hell good are laws if they are ignored or selectively enforced?
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Re: It is over!
by jbrovont » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 20:49:31
You mean issue loans against something they don't own? Oh wait.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'W')ell, The USSA could annex Canada and make loans against that.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'W')ell, The USSA could annex Canada and make loans against that.
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