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Manure Turning More Gold Than Brown

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 04:59:43

Manure 'Smells Like Money' As Energy Costs Rise

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Science Daily', 'W')ith energy prices driving the cost of agricultural inputs up, nutrient-rich manure is getting another look.

"As manure gains value, it is likely to be used more efficiently and effectively. There's a potential for increased revenue for animal feeding operations," he said...

Though MSU Extension and conservation professionals have taught for years that manure can be a valuable asset, it's often written it off as a difficult-to-manage byproduct with cumbersome regulations.

Now, with fertilizer prices hovering at $1,000 per ton, the nitrogen and other nutrients in manure look more gold than brown.

Bass said that a ton of manure contains between $30 to $40 dollars worth of nutrients for the soil, though they're not all available the first year.


I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the dollar value of human sewage?

You'd have to figure in all of the energy inputs we currently employ to treat sewage. But we really don't get much product out of our current processing - we just sort de-toxify it. At least, that's what I understand.

Maybe one day there really will be a corporation with a product called 'Brown-25'. Then again, that name has already been copyrighted and sounds too 20th century industrial. "Turd Blossom" would be perfect but that one's already been used too.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Manure Turning More Gold Than Brown

Unread postby kuidaskassikaeb » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 10:55:37

This actually has been done repeatedly. Raw sewage is not usable on organic farms because of its content of heavy metals. Unfortunately, sewage is not just shit, it contains everything people throw down the toilet. Not all of which is removed by sewage treatment plants. This really should change in the future if we want to have a sustainable world, but right now I think it is only used to reclaim old strip mines.
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Re: Manure Turning More Gold Than Brown

Unread postby Fishman » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 11:13:24

Passing those heavy metals is tough work.
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Re: Manure Turning More Gold Than Brown

Unread postby jdmartin » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 11:17:50

I used to work for a town where the liquid waste was in fact irrigated onto fields (beyond what didn't evaporate). However, the fields could not be used to grow anything for human consumption. Solids were left behind via settling ponds and were later pumped for drying and shipping to the landfill. It took an amazing amount of land to irrigate all that sewage water.

Because of the human diet and the contents of sewage (ever been in a sewage treatment plant and observed the filter screens?) - everything from automotive chemicals to pharmaceuticals - I would not knowingly eat food fertilized with human sewage, treated or not. Now, natural, unaltered livestock manure is a whole different story.
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: Manure Turning More Gold Than Brown

Unread postby Cochise » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 12:30:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '
')Because of the human diet and the contents of sewage (ever been in a sewage treatment plant and observed the filter screens?) - everything from automotive chemicals to pharmaceuticals - I would not knowingly eat food fertilized with human sewage, treated or not. Now, natural, unaltered livestock manure is a whole different story.


just trying to understand here.
I understand the presence of pharmaceuticals, but why human manure contains automotive chemicals?
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Re: Manure Turning More Gold Than Brown

Unread postby jdmartin » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 17:13:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cochise', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '
')Because of the human diet and the contents of sewage (ever been in a sewage treatment plant and observed the filter screens?) - everything from automotive chemicals to pharmaceuticals - I would not knowingly eat food fertilized with human sewage, treated or not. Now, natural, unaltered livestock manure is a whole different story.


just trying to understand here.
I understand the presence of pharmaceuticals, but why human manure contains automotive chemicals?


It's not the excrement that contains automotive chemicals, it's the carrier, as people dump oil into the sewer, into storm drains that provide i/i (inflow/infiltration) into the system, etc. Though there are regulations for discharge of effluent, you can't take everything out of the water. That's why a heavy dilution factor is required for discharge permits. Most pharmaceuticals would be eliminated the same way, in the effluent, as the body processes this stuff through the kidneys. I don't think you're likely to ever see waivers that allows human waste as food-grade fertilizer, surely not in a dried, concentrated form; in a liquid format, the EPA used to allow us to irrigate fields with it (not for human consumption) - because most of the solids have been left behind. All of the solids had to be shipped to the landfill as biowaste.
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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