[JustaGirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he release of methane in artic coastal areas pretty much insures most of us are going to die... ending the human chapter FOREVER.

[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustaGirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he release of methane in artic coastal areas pretty much insures most of us are going to die... ending the human chapter FOREVER.

[outcast]

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[Aimrehtopyh]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'O')perational tractors + fertilizers = no die off.

[zeke]

tractors and so-called "fertilizers" are part of the death spiral we're in and will be abandoned if we are to survive.

this really is a basic, widely-known concept...modern agriculture DESTROYS soil and nutrition. it gives the appearance of productivity because countless millions of matter is produced, but the cost in energy, lives, lost nutrition and quality is so enourmous that not even a dumb 3rd-grader would make a deal that lousy.

if we're going to survive the oil age, we're going to need food that is nourishing, and growable without "modern" agri-tech.

z

[vtsnowedin]

outcast
I think we will have a dieoff with or without oil. Six Billion on this planet is just too many sheep in the pasture and we will run out of grass shortly. We have already over fished the oceans to the point of collapse. Just like starving sheep pulling the last grass stems up by the roots. Now the people that used to eat fish must try to share the food grown on land with the five billion already fighting for it.
The US probably has enough farmland to feed its 300 million even without oil but we will probably have to fight off others who want to claim a share. Starvation or war what a choice and a good chance you will get both. Running out of oil would just bring everything to a head all at once.
If America adopts Pickens plan or one like it and we get independant of oil Chindia will just absorb the freed up supply and use it to expand another billion or so to pull up the last blade of grass in the world. the question is can we manage to let them kill each other off while we sit here between the solar panels and the algae farm unnoticed by the winner of WW3?

[bodigami]

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