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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 22:33:42

Also, weren't there just reports out over the past month that they were going to add $120 billion in investments over the next decade or so? I thought we've had those discussions here. What's up with the massive jump of ≈100%? Seems like it's just trying to calm people down. "Don't worry, we're injecting $xxx billion to produce more. Keep driving gas cars."
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 22:34:05

Should emphasize this. It appears this study is talking about additional capacity, not necessarily "new" capacity per se.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Recent analysis of total global oil production and development projects that world crude production capacity from all sources has the potential to rise from 87 million barrels per day to as much as 108 million by 2015,” said Emil Rademeyer, director of Proleads.
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 22:39:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'S')hould emphasize this. It appears this study is talking about additional capacity, not necessarily "new" capacity per se.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Recent analysis of total global oil production and development projects that world crude production capacity from all sources has the potential to rise from 87 million barrels per day to as much as 108 million by 2015,” said Emil Rademeyer, director of Proleads.


If it's talking about additional capacity on top of the 85 mpd, then I don't buy it. At least not their projections.

I wonder which desert nations will give up their water and food money to pump out for oil (so that prices will go down in comparison to if they didn't pump).
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby TheDude » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 23:13:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')etween this year and 2009 alone, Saudi Arabia has put in place projects with target added production capacity of more than 1.6 million barrels a day.


Uh huh. No mention of the ongoing delays and cost overruns. 90% of that production is from fields discovered in the 1950s, as is the bulk of the rest of their big boost. These "new" fields like Manifa will present no end of technical challenges like we've seen with Khursaniyah, and then some. And all this additional capacity is predicated on the assumption that their current fields will continue to merrily flow. Reams of anecdotal evidence suggest that, at the very least, Aramco are intent on turning the Saudi desert into a lower-48 style pincushion for some reason. Why might that be?
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 01:12:19

Reminds me of a favorite saying of my late mother. "If wishes were horses, beggers would ride"!
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby Gerben » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 15:12:42

It looks like their software does not include decline rates.
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 15:50:41

There are a number of mega-projects due to come on line in the next five to ten years. If they all come out as projected they may add a significant bump to the bumpy plateau.

If.

Also, oil goes through boom-bust cycles, like many extractive industries. Every 10-15 years since the forties there has been a surge of discoveries that coincides with a drop in prices resulting it a fall-off of investment in new projects... As everyone here knows, each surge in production since the sixties has produced less than the previous surge.

The last peak in production was the late nineties/early 2000's that corresponded with the low prices of that period so we are due for another surge. Since the lows of the late nineties prices have increased ten-twenty fold. It would be surprising if such a price increase did not spur some investment. We shall see whether the new investments produce enough oil to outweigh the huge declines elsewhere.
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 16:42:13

Paper barrels... Got to love them. Reminds me of paper silver.
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby Starvid » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 18:11:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'S')hould emphasize this. It appears this study is talking about additional capacity, not necessarily "new" capacity per se.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Recent analysis of total global oil production and development projects that world crude production capacity from all sources has the potential to rise from 87 million barrels per day to as much as 108 million by 2015,” said Emil Rademeyer, director of Proleads.

108 mbpd? Yeah right.

Some sense please. Sure, it has the "potential" to reach 108 mbpd just like I have the "potential" of becoming king of Sweden.

95 mbpd? Maybe. 108 mbpd? I'll eat my hat.
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 18:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Some sense please. Sure, it has the "potential" to reach 108 mbpd just like I have the "potential" of becoming king of Sweden.


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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby MD » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 19:13:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '.').. Reams of anecdotal evidence suggest that, at the very least, Aramco are intent on turning the Saudi desert into a lower-48 style pincushion for some reason. Why might that be?


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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby DeepOil » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 20:51:07

This is about as likely as the Patriots winning the Super Bowl without Tom Brady.
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Re: Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 20:53:51

Man to land on the moon in 2015 wearing pink pajamas with bunny feet
Persian Gulf nations to add 10 million bpd capacity by 2015

{Equivalent statements.}
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DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 07:59:07

http://www.dubai-architecture.info/DUB-GAL1.htm

I've read bits and pieces about Dubai for a while, this site really pulls it all together.

This site deals with the downsides of Dubai. I found the foreign slave labor system particularly repulsive. They have foreign workers sign ten year contracts, then take their passports when they get there, and don't pay what they promised. So the laborers are trapped -- they'll never make enough money to leave, and can't cuz the bosses have their passports anyway. Yikes.
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This place is truly bizarre..
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Re: DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 08:39:30

Pure madness.

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Re: DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby ohanian » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 08:58:47

Wow!

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Re: DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby mrobert » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 10:35:50

That will require one huge bailout program :)
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Re: DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby Windmills » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 11:25:19

I find the US slave labor program a bit repulsive, too. Although I think we call them "illegal immigrants" instead of wage slaves.
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Re: DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 11:56:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', 'I') find the US slave labor program a bit repulsive, too. Although I think we call them "illegal immigrants" instead of wage slaves.


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Re: DUBAI IS NUTS!!!

Unread postby WyoDutch » Sat 08 Nov 2008, 12:53:53

I thought you said "DUBYA is nuts".
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