[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'M')any people don't know how to cook with inexpensive basic ingredients - their mothers never taught them, and they didn't have Home Ec in school. So if they can't buy the premade food they're used to eating, they go hungry. Ignorance is often an aspect of poverty - it isn't their fault, it's just the way they were raised. Of course the same is often true of people in higher income brackets - they don't know how to cook, they only know how to buy frozen pizza and Stouffers.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'I')f we want to combat overshoot, we - in the industrial world - will need a MAJOR reduction in our collective standard of living coupled with a major reduction in population growth in the third world (which will happen regardless of our decision to act).

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'I')f we want to combat overshoot, we - in the industrial world - will need a MAJOR reduction in our collective standard of living coupled with a major reduction in population growth in the third world (which will happen regardless of our decision to act).

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'Y')ou claim that the third world DOES NOT have to reduce it's population. This must mean that it's current population is sustainable, I'm assuming?

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'Y')ou claim that the third world DOES NOT have to reduce it's population. This must mean that it's current population is sustainable, I'm assuming?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '
')Efficiency is not everything. Iowans feed the world

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'E')fficiency is not everything. Iowans feed the world and provide innovative ethanol fuel! What the fark has a Bangladeshi done lately?

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'Y')ou claim that the third world DOES NOT have to reduce it's population. This must mean that it's current population is sustainable, I'm assuming?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'I')s it not easier for us to reduce per capita consumption in the West?

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'I')s it not easier for us to reduce per capita consumption in the West?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'H')ow do you sell "population reduction" to the West? In an age when the political will is in the hands of the Baby Boomers, a platform of "trimming the heard" will not be well received.

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'N')ot really. How many people do you know that have willingly downsized? Did you participate in the "How many children do you have thread?" Did you see that a whopping 60% of people have 1 or 0 child?

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VmarcHart', 'O')ne day, 50, 100, 200 years from today, the folks living then will hit a brick wall and the population will be reduced one way or the other.

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'S')o you think we're facing global population decline by when? 2020 and the population will be lower than today? Really?

[Dezakin]

Oh so many doomerland buzzwords that I dont really want to rehash, just when do you expect population to decline?

My prediction:

You'll die of old age before you see a population decline. Or even a decline in global living standards.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o you think we're facing global population decline by when? 2020 and the population will be lower than today? Really?

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'O')h so many doomerland buzzwords that I dont really want to rehash, just when do you expect population to decline? My prediction: You'll die of old age before you see a population decline. Or even a decline in global living standards.

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'D')oomerland buzzwords? I dare you to refute Catton.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'T')ick tock, tick tock. Time is of the essence.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'Y')ou'll die of old age before you see a population decline. Or even a decline in global living standards.