[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'I') filed my taxes this year. After not filing since 1995, I got a visit from a nice man

[slesh]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattS', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('slesh', 'O')h, and MattS, we are talking of INCOME TAXES ON LABOR not on property, which, to my knowledge people are not property in the US in todays day and age. And if the fed tries that argument, I can alwas throw that out there can't I now.

[slesh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V20RqRZpFao&NR=1

[vision-master]

Hello Walls

[slesh]

I have another little suprise for Americans.

I have the form on my desk right now, and its true, section A has been omitted. Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1UT2Ms5 ... re=related

[vision-master]

Play with Fire

[kpeavey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'D')id you pay taxes at work meantime? Or none at all?

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('slesh', 'O')K, here we go

Name: Ty W. Guenot Sr.
SSN: 113-56-9680
DOB: November 10th, 1970

Go ahead, run the numbers,
I have a DD-214, hONORABLE DISCHARGE
I owe approx. 0.............thats right......0 to the federal gov.
If they have a bone to pick, bring it, otherwise they should just move along.

[slesh]

ya, ive seen this one. It's not really matter of being subjected to the tax. I understand society needs some tax to take care of infrastructure and such, its the fact they lie and hide things that bothers me most.

[Dreamtwister]

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Individual tax protestors will never succeed. Not because they are wrong, but because the federal government will do as it sees fit.

If you want to seriously take on the income tax issue, you need to lobby your state legislature to exert it's 9th and 10th amendment rights against the federal government. If you can get the state to challenge the federal government in court, you might see some results.

Of course, the last time states tried to exert their 9th and 10th amendment rights was in 1860, and we all know how that turned out...

[Pretorian]

if you dont want to pay taxes-- work for cash, or use more taxdollars than you pay, or became the one who lives of someone elses taxes.
You can also call taxes "protection money" to feel better. That's what they are anyway. This way or another there are always will be people who will live at other people's cost, dice it or slice it.

[buzzard]

The IRS is a criminal organization, no different than the Mafia.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('buzzard', 'T')he IRS is a criminal organization, no different than the Mafia.

[buzzard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('buzzard', 'T')he IRS is a criminal organization, no different than the Mafia.

[slesh]

I believe you are correct buzzard, but so many people relate the 16th to income tax, I only know this, I do not pay income tax, have not for some time now. In every court case I have seen testimony on the simple question came down to "show me the written law or statute" and in every case the IRS could not.

[buzzard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('slesh', 'I') believe you are correct buzzard, but so many people relate the 16th to income tax, I only know this, I do not pay income tax, have not for some time now. In every court case I have seen testimony on the simple question came down to "show me the written law or statute" and in every case the IRS could not.

[Pretorian]

You fascinate me guys. You seem to miss the gist of the whole idea of taxation (of any kind ). It has nothing to do with 16th amendment, somekinda LAW , Constitution or any other paper bullshit. The thing is, that if something can be taken by somebody, taken it will be.
Imagine yourself a prosperous business owner who catches attention of an organized group who would like to have a 10-20% cut of your income.
Unless you are in a good relationship with a bigger organized groupthere is nothing you can do about it; you will pay, either with money or health or lost profit or combination of the above.

Yes, USA and whomever controlls it are too big to run after every minuscule non-payer with a hot iron and a pair of pliers; neverthless there are always prisoncells available ; they are always can take yours by force and give you a few extra-years if you fret too much. BECAUSE THEY CAN. Whether there are enough paper to justify it ( currently ) or not, it doesn't matter. This way or another , they will take from you what they want/need,BECAUSE THEY CAN. And you should be gratefull that they want just your money, in other countries they will gladly tax your flesh&blood too.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'Y')ou fascinate me guys. You seem to miss the gist of the whole idea of taxation (of any kind ). It has nothing to do with 16th amendment, somekinda LAW , Constitution or any other paper bullshit. The thing is, that if something can be taken by somebody, taken it will be.
Imagine yourself a prosperous business owner who catches attention of an organized group who would like to have a 10-20% cut of your income.
Unless you are in a good relationship with a bigger organized groupthere is nothing you can do about it; you will pay, either with money or health or lost profit or combination of the above.

Yes, USA and whomever controlls it are too big to run after every minuscule non-payer with a hot iron and a pair of pliers; neverthless there are always prisoncells available ; they are always can take yours by force and give you a few extra-years if you fret too much. BECAUSE THEY CAN. Whether there are enough paper to justify it ( currently ) or not, it doesn't matter. This way or another , they will take from you what they want/need,BECAUSE THEY CAN. And you should be gratefull that they want just your money, in other countries they will gladly tax your flesh&blood too.

[arretium]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'Y')ou fascinate me guys. You seem to miss the gist of the whole idea of taxation (of any kind ). It has nothing to do with 16th amendment, somekinda LAW , Constitution or any other paper bullshit. The thing is, that if something can be taken by somebody, taken it will be.
Imagine yourself a prosperous business owner who catches attention of an organized group who would like to have a 10-20% cut of your income.
Unless you are in a good relationship with a bigger organized groupthere is nothing you can do about it; you will pay, either with money or health or lost profit or combination of the above.

Yes, USA and whomever controlls it are too big to run after every minuscule non-payer with a hot iron and a pair of pliers; neverthless there are always prisoncells available ; they are always can take yours by force and give you a few extra-years if you fret too much. BECAUSE THEY CAN. Whether there are enough paper to justify it ( currently ) or not, it doesn't matter. This way or another , they will take from you what they want/need,BECAUSE THEY CAN. And you should be gratefull that they want just your money, in other countries they will gladly tax your flesh&blood too.