[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '.')..
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I') find it laughable that these technologies violate one of the most sacred tenets of the environmental movement which is the belief that the world can be saved by using small-scale technologies.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dont_Panic', 'N')aysayers don't bring the world forward, people with visions do.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')These windmills are certainly NOT "small" so what's an environmentalists to do?

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dont_Panic', 'N')aysayers don't bring the world forward, people with visions do.

[Kingcoal]

10 trillion for a new electrical grid that will produce lots of electricity for centuries is worth the cost. Where do we get the money from? We borrow, hell we're good at that. In the later 1800's, we went way in debt over our GDP to build railroads and it was worth every penny.

I don't understand people who use the argument that we are going down, so why bother? My answer to that is that if you are going to go down, you might as well go down in style.

[yesplease]

At ~$200-400 billion per year in externalized costs from coal alone I don't think a mostly Carbon free grid would need to last a hundred years to pay itself off. Maybe ~25-50 years or so if we only count the externalized costs of coal... Course, no one is stopping us from using "cheap" coal, except for the coal industry and it's lobby.

[Vogelzang]

Even if man made CO2 increased the earth's temperature by about 1 to 2 degrees, there would be absolutely no change in climate whatsoever.

[dohboi]

And this is based on????

[Valdemar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vogelzang', 'E')ven if man made CO2 increased the earth's temperature by about 1 to 2 degrees, there would be absolutely no change in climate whatsoever.

[AlexdeLarge]

Algore, the environment guru, has a big house, flies in big planes and now... captains a big boat. "There is no question that the alarmism and doomsday scenarios spread by Al Gore have been very, very beneficial to him personally and professionally.

But the question persists as to whether he actually buys into what he is selling. His own behavior clearly indicates that he doesn’t believe we are at a “tipping point” of worldwide environmental destruction. While he preaches that the rest of us must dramatically change our lifestyles and lower our standards of living to “save the planet” he lives by another set of rules himself."

Gore Hits the Waves with a Massive New Houseboat

[RSFB]

Personally, I couldn't care less about what Al Gore does. The points he raises are still valid and needed points for wide discussion.

I do admit that his personal choices do make it easier for shameless detractors to attack his arguments though, and that's a shame.

[essex]

Gore talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Our city is about to be sacrificed to the CO2 peddlers / meddlers.
www.palmerston-north.info
You can't smell CO2 but you sure can smell corruption.

[dooberheim]

I'd rather have a horizon full of wind tunbines any day than the old coal fired power plant we have here.

DK

[essex]

Horizon, maybe, but forty story turbines as litle as 400 metres from homes is Stalinesque. Here is the wind output from the wind farm nearby - which only 6 people objected to by the way,
http://www.turiteareserve.org.nz/node/7

That intermittancy can only be covered by thermal generation which needs to be on hot standby. The solution is obvious - use less electricity in the first place - fat chance though, has anyone ever campaigned for austerity and won?

[Javaman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RSFB', 'P')ersonally, I couldn't care less about what Al Gore does. The points he raises are still valid and needed points for wide discussion.
I do admit that his personal choices do make it easier for shameless detractors to attack his arguments though, and that's a shame.

[pablonite]

Hmmm, an Al Gore thread! A little stale but what is he up to these days anyway?

[Umber]

OwlGore? I'd guess he's up to about 320, give or take a pound.

Umber

[pablonite]

Nothing in the news. It's like a media blackout on big Al? This was all I could dig up on him. The British invented much of the Internet: link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t wasn’t Al Gore after all. The British invented the Internet, or rather key technologies which make up the Internet. Take a look at this article on BBC News about early British computer pioneers.

By splitting data into packets and threading them on the same line, the carrying capacity of that link could be boosted and the whole network made more powerful. Roger Scantlebury, who worked with Dr Davies, presented the ideas about “packet switching” to a conference in the US, where they were picked up by the creators of the nascent Arpanet, the fledgling internet.

Does that mean Britain invented the internet? “Yes and no,” said Mr Scantlebury. “Certainly the underlying technology of the internet, which is packet switching, we did invent.”

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ormer Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, have added a Montecito-area property to their real estate holdings, reports the Montecito Journal.
The couple spent $8,875,000 on an ocean-view villa on 1.5 acres with a swimming pool, spa and fountains, a real estate source familiar with the deal confirms. The Italian-style house has six fireplaces, five bedrooms and nine bathrooms.

[Ludi]

Al Gore is so used to this way of life he doesn't realize the message he is sending.

He can just buy indulgence from the Church of Carbon.

The truth doesn't inconvenience him one bit.