[sicophiliac]

Nah we dont need more drilling, we can just drain the SPR and everything will be ok. Seriously though I am getting frustrated with the democrats on the energy issues, at least the neocons are addressing this issue... in a quite barbaric way(invading Iraq) What exactly are the democrats proposing? Why not a 100 billion dollar proposal for investment into wind farms or solar thermal plants? Why not more money invested into battery technology or mass transit? To me they are falling into the trap of looking like obstructionists. Bush says we need to drill more and ASAP and he is right, we are nowhere near able to transition away from fossil fuels to any large scale right now. Aside from the issue of oil peaking and declining itself... the trade deficit due to oil imports alone is a serious economic problem.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'O')nce the cannibalism starts, they'll be saying "you know, offshore drilling was a lot easier than this."

[Cashmere]

Well, they've got the rope, they've got the built in stupid, they're both shells of humans, and they're both pansies . . .

Why not tie their own noose in anticipation of their own execution.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 's')ince the sometimes Democratic objection to drilling is environmental concerns, and the best way to drill is carefully, i wish someone would point out that is best for the environment is to start now, so the project managers can take their time & do it carefully. rather than wait till we're in dire straits & need it bad. which i guess we are & do, which is why el Rushbo is going on about it.

so i, normally a democratic liberal, actually agree with El Rushbo about something.

plus he was actually condemning windpower because there was a case where an abundance of windpower led to a hydro facility being idled, which hurt some fish. Rush expressed concern about the fish as part of his odd ongoing condemnation of wind power.

[AlexdeLarge]

Hmmmmmm.................more evidence of the side effects of Botox on your brain.

[aflurry]

I have a question for those who favor offshore and ANWR drilling as a way to decrease our "dependence on foreign oil."

once the oil is extracted, doesn't it belong to the same companies that extract it from anywhere in the world, to be sold on an open, international market? do you think the shareholders of those companies would allow preferential sales terms to US consumers at below market rates? What difference does it make whether the oil is from US or foreign sources once it gets to market?

even the jobs created by these projects have to be so few they would have little effect on the US economy. After all, very little prevents competitive US workers form working on oil projects overseas. likewise, competitive foreign workers may have little trouble working in alaska.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'O')nce the cannibalism starts, they'll be saying "you know, offshore drilling was a lot easier than this."

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')In fact, the only purpose of offshore drilling will be to make the "DRILL DRILL DRILL!" folks shut the F up. Then they can move to the next level of grief.

[AlexdeLarge]

[hironegro]

Certainly ANWAR and Rocky Mountain Shale are problematic to say the least, but what is the issue with OCS drilling?

[Canuk]

The likelihood of any major fields are low.
If we drill we will remove the fantasy - its like a lottery ticket until you check the numbers you could too be a millionaire...

[Peleg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'C')ertainly ANWAR and Rocky Mountain Shale are problematic to say the least, but what is the issue with OCS drilling?

[thuja]

Wow- Is this a Peak Oil web site? Aren't people here supposed to be marginally knowledgable?

Any oil discovered at ANWR or the OCS would be sold at the Global spot market rate. The small amount that would be produced ( a couple million barrels/day if we are lucky?) would be a drop compared to what is required and would be eaten up in bidding wars between us, the Chindians and emerging countries. There would be no price drop. At the best, drilling there could marginally slow the tremendous rate of inflation in oil prices.

And then...its gone...and then? Back to Square one...just a few years later.

For those of you all hopped up to drill... You call yourselves Peak Oilers? Go back to class! Back of the line! No soup for you! Do your homework!

[Peleg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Canuk', 'T')he likelihood of any major fields are low.
If we drill we will remove the fantasy - its like a lottery ticket until you check the numbers you could too be a millionaire...

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'W')ow- Is this a Peak Oil web site? Aren't people here supposed to be marginally knowledgable?

Any oil discovered at ANWR or the OCS would be sold at the Global spot market rate. The small amount that would be produced ( a couple million barrels/day if we are lucky?) would be a drop compared to what is required and would be eaten up in bidding wars between us, the Chindians and emerging countries. There would be no price drop. At the best, drilling there could marginally slow the tremendous rate of inflation in oil prices.

And then...its gone...and then? Back to Square one...just a few years later.

For those of you all hopped up to drill... You call yourselves Peak Oilers? Go back to class! Back of the line! No soup for you! Do your homework!

[Peleg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'W')ow- Is this a Peak Oil web site? Aren't people here supposed to be marginally knowledgable?

Any oil discovered at ANWR or the OCS would be sold at the Global spot market rate. The small amount that would be produced ( a couple million barrels/day if we are lucky?) would be a drop compared to what is required and would be eaten up in bidding wars between us, the Chindians and emerging countries. There would be no price drop. At the best, drilling there could marginally slow the tremendous rate of inflation in oil prices.

And then...its gone...and then? Back to Square one...just a few years later.

For those of you all hopped up to drill... You call yourselves Peak Oilers? Go back to class! Back of the line! No soup for you! Do your homework!

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peleg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
')
However Great Thespian! You are not yet properly factoring in the role of politics and appearances in all of this. The trajectories of the system into the future are not birthed simply by reason but also by apearance and by knowledge both seen and unseen, public and private, admitted and hidden. If a bill giving some right to drill in expanded areas drives speculation out of oil and we end up back at $105 for a few years we have helped ourselves. The bill can still include staunch protections for ANWR. The fact is the oil majors will not make major efforts to find small fields anywhere with oil at $140. So why not let them give us a laundry list of their top 50 places and then use the Sharpee to make sure we keep things in perspective?

[TheDude]

We could nationalize the IOCs and mandate that American Oil Stays Here, ala the Dem plan to do same with refineries. Which would be based on the assumption bought and paid for politicians have our best interests in mind har har har.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '�')��I’ll show you politics in America,” he added. “Here it is, right here. ‘I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.’ ‘I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.’ ‘Hey, wait a minute, there’s one guy holding out both puppets!’ ”

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
')
You wish to sell off the last remaining oil we have left just for the spectacular hope that speculators will ramp down their enthusiasm for a few years (days?) and prices will diminish 20-30$/barrel. Bah!

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
')
You wish to sell off the last remaining oil we have left just for the spectacular hope that speculators will ramp down their enthusiasm for a few years (days?) and prices will diminish 20-30$/barrel. Bah!