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Are you getting squeezed?

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Are you?

Yes; badly, I'll be gone in a month
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Yes; slightly, I can last a few months
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Yes; but I'm getting off of oil soon
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Not yet
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What the hell is oil? Doesn't everyone grow their own food?
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Total votes : 61

Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 12:00:20

With increasing gasoline and grocery bills, are you starting to feel the tight squeeze of the economy? If so, how bad is it getting? Are you on your way off of the tight-rope or will you go bankrupt in a few months? If not, do you think the economy can ever hurt you? Are you that independent of any oil-based economy?
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby strider3700 » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 13:57:39

I voted not yet.

I've received multiple raises and bonus's in the past 6 months keeping me well ahead of inflation this year. Of course my rough estimates of the company finances says the company will be crushed sooner then later. In the mean time I build contacts and collect as much cash as possible.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby joeltrout » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 14:27:15

Thankfully my parents encouraged me to work in the oil industry so I am in the same boat as strider3700. My salary has gone up around 34% in the last 2 years, the bonuses have been the largest given out in a long time, and it looks like this year will be another record year for our company which in turn benefits all the employees and shareholders.

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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 15:11:32

The Oklahoma economy is pretty strong still; we have some of the lowest gas prices in the nation.

My husband works in defense; he won't be laid off unless the government collapses or for some reason they no longer need the plane he does software support for.

I do have to factor in gas when looking at getting prep-type things off craigslist, though. If it's too far and not a great price to begin with I've been passing things up; sometimes the price to get there and back is more than the thing is worth. :(
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby girlscout » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 15:19:53

I think we're in a better position than many of the people I know, but we've definately been cutting back. I consolidate my errands and only go out when necessary. My husband and I are a lot more conservative with our grocery bill, and probably spend 1/2 or less of what we used to. We rarely go out to eat anymore.

We've decided to cut back on a lot of discretionary spending to get caught up before the winter comes. Unfortunately we have an oil furnace, and the locals here are speculating that it will cost at least $4000 to heat an average house in this neck of the woods for the season. We are lucky enough to have one wood stove which, for most of the winter, will heat the downstairs quite well, and provide some heat upstairs. This summer and fall we'll be doing quite a bit of chopping, chainsawing, splitting, and stacking!
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby hope_full » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 15:30:39

We're not feeling the squeeze, but we're feeling the increases in gasoline costs and food costs. We're fortunate to be able to live BELOW our means. Like the others said, we're in a region with a strong local economy and things are pretty much normal right now.

It'd be interesting to know more about the demographics at this website. I wonder if most of the folks here are college educated and thus, in the higher tiers of income?

Folks here don't seem to be hurting too badly (or so the responses suggest).
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 15:36:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t'd be interesting to know more about the demographics at this website. I wonder if most of the folks here are college educated and thus, in the higher tiers of income?


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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby joeltrout » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 15:55:34

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It'd be interesting to know more about the demographics at this website. I wonder if most of the folks here are college educated and thus, in the higher tiers of income?



I am a college graduate and the area I live in is mostly college graduates and white collar workers. Many commute to downtown LA while others like me work nearby. Our real estate has only gone down 5% from May 07 to May 08. Which isn't bad for Los Angeles County. I have only seen about 15 foreclosures pop up in the last 6 months or so. The median home price in May 2008 is $950,000 according to the California Association of Realtors so not many subprime loans. Most have higher education and know how to handle money.

The town literally next door is quite the opposite. It is a blue collar town and its workforce is soley based around the LA Harbor. The real estate there has dropped 19.4% and the median home price is $441,500. Foreclosures and short-sales are common place. You also see many trucks and SUVs with for-sale signs. The longshoremen make good money but don't know how to save or spend it.

Not 100% of it has to do with how much money you make. Most of the experienced longshoremen down at the harbor make more money than I. The problem is they do not know how to budget and live below their means. They buy fast boats and ATVs and I buy bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and real estate.

People just want more than they can afford and now that is back-firing on them. Other than a house or land, if you can't pay cash then you can't afford it.

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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby CarlinsDarlin » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 16:17:15

Only nine responses thus far. I don't think that number represents all of the 20,000 members just yet. However, you might be right that we probably have a higher percentage of college grads than the general population. I don't know, of course. But as joel said, I don't think income, per se, is the defining factor as to whether or not someone is being pinched right now. Management of one's money would be the more likely culprit.

Our (US) culture has collectively agreed that living beyond one's means is "normal." "Everyone" has a mortgage, car payment(s), credit cards, etc. At least, that's what most people think.

I think that many people who participate in these forums, having had an idea of what was coming down the pike for at least a little while, have tried to position themselves to be able to deal with economic downturn. Many of us have tried to live within, or below, our means. Many of us have tried to reach a certain level of independence from the system.

Of course, nearly all of us still drive cars and must pay for groceries, but being in a better financial position outside of these two items helps to offset the increases in those prices.

Personally, our family is debt free. We own our house and land, and our monthly bills are maintenance bills (with the exception of about $1000 in medical bills we're paying on). Though I do have a college degree, my husband does not. He does make decent money for the area in which we live, though. I am not currently working outside the home - so whether or not I have a degree is a moot point. Because we have only one wage earner, our family average income is low by most standards. We do okay, though. We've cut back on spending here and there. He drives a motorcycle these days instead of his truck. We've made adjustments - but that's only because we could make them (because we had an idea this was coming). If all our money were going to rent and/or a house payment, we'd be in a world of hurt.

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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 16:21:57

Doing well right at the moment. My husband is concerned about the lack of job calls. Client inquiries are sharply down, so work may be drying up. We might have a decently big job lined up, but it's just in the beginning stages, no contract yet. It may evaporate, as they often do.

So - doing well now, nervous about the near future.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 16:50:49

I voted "not yet".... I've noticed my pay check is not going as far and I've been shopping at lower cost grocery stores, but it's manageable at this level.

I don't think people can be pushed much more until we see some wholesale changes in the consumer. It's amazing seeing how many people take mass transit these days compared with just a few months ago.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby Narz » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 17:28:25

Food & fuel are still very, very cheap.

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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby ANewHuman » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 22:21:05

I recently fired one of my maids... so take from that what you want. Feeling the pinch? Well I replaced her with a mexican that doesn't talk and works harder. So not yet..... will take the collapse of america before I feel it, I guess.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby JoeW » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 23:31:00

Our household is definitely feeling the squeeze. My wife decided to give up a decent-paying job to go back to college and become a teacher. She's had her degree for more than a year, but hasn't worked since January. Job market for elementary teachers stinks around here. My salary alone would have been enough a couple of years ago, but the rising cost of everything has made a pretty big difference.
All the bills are still getting paid on time, for now. I am constantly on careerbuilder.com looking for better-paying work, as my company has been mostly stingy with the raises over the last ten years.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby nickynicky » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 00:53:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ANewHuman', 'I') recently fired one of my maids... so take from that what you want. Feeling the pinch? Well I replaced her with a mexican that doesn't talk and works harder. So not yet..... will take the collapse of america before I feel it, I guess.


You will feel it two days before the collapse of merica, but close enough.

Personally I won't feel it even after the collapse of merica, I am ready and will have no problem.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby xerces » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 01:19:49

Not feeling it. Prudent investment policies and a series of promotions have increased my annual income by over 150% over the last 2 years. Furthermore, a powerdown lifestyle has decreased my annual cost of living by 50%(even including inflation).
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby lowem » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 03:10:21

My petrol bills (gasoline for you American folks) are now 100% hedged via Canadian energy income trusts. These have dropped somewhat together with many stocks in the recent meltdown but still, their dividends are paid monthly and continue to (virtually) offset my bills. When the Civic Hybrid arrives (there is a 2-3 month order backlog), I should be 200% hedged.

I haven't quite figured out how to hedge my food costs, though. At the payout rate of most of the "food majors", I'd have to put in 10 times the amount I've put into energy trusts in order to cover my monthly grocery bills - and of course I don't have that much. Plus, the "food majors" usually don't pay out monthly as well.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby lowem » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 03:24:22

(continued) ... so the squeeze for me will mostly be on food, utility bills, and various household items. Some samplings : cooking oil in Singapore has gone up 75%, electricity rates have gone up 56.1% within 3 years, and ordinary fluorescent light bulbs have gone up 45%.

I'm in the military/defence industry and it pays pretty decently (I think), but I worry that this whole inflation thing could really turn exponential any day now, if the Fed starts monetization in earnest and other central banks were to follow.
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Re: Are you getting squeezed?

Unread postby FoolYap » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 06:36:06

"Not yet", but only because we've lived below our means for years. No raises, so cost of living increases are meaning we're cutting back on savings to make the budget. But as we essentially live on one of our two incomes, it's been doable.

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