[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')ounds nice. Where can I sign up?

[VMarcHart]

Would the Moderator please send a pm to me? Thanks!

[allenwrench]

No reason to tackle em...they will just starve to death.

I especially like this quote:

"A sign of the fragility of the Cult of Doomerism is the fact that peakoil.com, the Internet's home of Doomers, now routinely sees the shouting down and banning anyone who voices a contrary opinion. The PO.com forum has become a meeting place for the disaffected, the maudlin, the jaundiced of view and the panicky by nature. Avoid at all costs, or lurk for a laugh."

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'A') sign of the fragility of the Cult of Doomerism is the fact that peakoil.com, the Internet's home of Doomers, now routinely sees the shouting down and banning anyone who voices a contrary opinion. The PO.com forum has become a meeting place for the disaffected, the maudlin, the jaundiced of view and the panicky by nature.

[Ferretlover]

From article link: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') sign of the fragility of the Cult of Doomerism is the fact that peakoil.com, the Internet's home of Doomers, now routinely sees the shouting down and banning anyone who voices a contrary opinion. The PO.com forum has become a meeting place for the disaffected, the maudlin, the jaundiced of view and the panicky by nature.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'A') sign of the fragility of the Cult of Doomerism is the fact that peakoil.com, the Internet's home of Doomers, now routinely sees the shouting down and banning anyone who voices a contrary opinion. The PO.com forum has become a meeting place for the disaffected, the maudlin, the jaundiced of view and the panicky by nature.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'Y')ou guys do realize that people have been deriding "cargoism" and talking about overshoot for 200 years now, right? People have been predicting "the great die off" for decades and it still hasn't come to pass.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'A')nd here we go ... people are calling themselves smart. If PO-related overshoot doesn't kill us, sure arrogance and narcissism will. It's ludicrous we spend so much time talking about overshoot, cargoism, powerdown, depletion, etc, when we cannot tame our own attitude. Let us look no further as to why we are in such a mess.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', ' ')[b]"A sign of the fragility of the Cult of Doomerism is the fact that peakoil.com, the Internet's home of Doomers, now routinely sees the shouting down and banning anyone who voices a contrary opinion.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I')'m not seeing the connection. The moon landing was NOT faked.

[Nicholai]

Sorry about the spelling error etc. I was away for the evening and didn't realize the mistake.

I'd just like to get back to some main points if that's alright. Again, I'd like to know MATHEMATICALLY why we do not have time to ramp up renewable production enough to counter the rate of global depletion in order to avoid major supply shortages.

Again, we can't predict what the rate of global oil supply depletion will be, but is it possible to assume 8% beginning in 2010, followed by an increase of 10%, 13%, 17% etc. for the years to follow? Could we assume the rate of depletion is MUCH higher than predicted and somehow avoid any major shortages as the rate of depletion increases over time?

How about fertilizer through electrolysis? Is it viable on a large scale? Small scale?

The optimist camp can't prove the rate of depletion and therefore doesn't have a timetable to work with. They don't know when we're headed for a peak and they can't tell you how quickly renewables would need to be developed in order to avoid major supply shortages. The obvious answer is to assume we WON'T be able to meet these supply shortages considering it only takes ONE slowdown in renewables production for depletion to slip ahead and lead us into a major supply shortage. As well, the battle to avoid supply shortages must go on forever. How can we assume that these alternative technologies can continue to outpace depletion far into the future?

The optimist camp assumes so much and yet has little to offer if these technologies fail to hold water. We have the technology and the resources to re-localize. The consequences are a loss in convenience. We MIGHT have the ability to tweek technology and keep our convenient lifestyles for a shot time, but in the end, the consequences will be horrendous (eventual collapse).

[Serial_Worrier]

Put the Cornucopians in concentration camps immediately.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'P')ut the Cornucopians in concentration camps immediately.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', ' ') I'd like to know MATHEMATICALLY why we do not have time to ramp up renewable production enough to counter the rate of global depletion in order to avoid major supply shortages.

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here do you get these escalating decline rates of 10%, 13%. 17% ???

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I')'m not seeing the connection. The moon landing was NOT faked.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I')'m not seeing the connection. The moon landing was NOT faked.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', ' ') $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here do you get these escalating decline rates of 10%, 13%. 17% ???