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Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 20:03:03

Re-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.

Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby killJOY » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 20:15:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')e-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.

Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.


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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby Cashmere » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 20:45:19

Sorry Dude. I've been trying to prove you wrong for a while now. No dice so far.
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby roccman » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 20:46:59

Snap out of it bro...it's gonna be fine...Tyler told me so.
"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby kpeavey » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 20:51:23

Years of research have led me to the conclusion that there is no technical solution to this problem.

There is, however, a response. Plan for a future without oil, limited food, undependable electricity, unpredicatable weather, starving masses of homeless unemployed, oppressive government, and a dollar worth more as TP than an instrument of exchange. It will be a start.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 20:53:16

Funny how so far you attracted precisely the people that will not prove you wrong. Heck you might actually be right!

But, you need to tell yourself and us - what does doom mean to you?
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 22:22:21

Prove you wrong-no.
It's your choice: Reality-accept, adjust and prepare. Just like you would do to deal with any other problem.
Fantasy-deny, party on and don't think about waking up one day to one h*ll of a shock.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby cipi604 » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 23:12:57

Doomers Only
Subscribing to the idea that hydrocarbon depletion will lead to destructive, if not cataclysmic consequences.

Join us!
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 23:21:05

Just don't let it rattle you too badly.

It's hard to make good strategic decisions when you're freaked out.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby americandream » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 23:27:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'R')e-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.

Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.


I wish I could prove you wrong but unfortunately the hands of time are a ruthless judge. A system based on the exhaustive use of the resources on this planet will exhaust those resources, one after the other. With the addition of China, the former USSR and India at the table of mass consumption, any one who nurses cornucopian notions is either mad or extremely stupid and probably warrants dying off for being surplus to evolutions requirements.

In a nutshell, capitalism has always experienced a periodic pattern of boom and bust - what economists call the business cycle. Since the late 1700s, the developed world has witnessed such a pattern of rapid growth followed by widespread stagnation or recession. During boom times, profits are running high and the owners of capital are confident to undertake large-scale investment. Existing factories are expanded, new ones built, more workers are taken on, new mines go down as office blocks and hotels go up. Every enterprise is run at close to full capacity as the bosses seize the good times with both hands.

But this process soon creates its own limits. Shortages of raw materials and credit lead to higher prices and interest rates. Profit margins decline as the costs of production rise. We see that today with stagflation.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 23:47:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'R')e-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.

Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.


I wish I could prove you wrong but unfortunately the hands of time are a ruthless judge. A system based on the exhaustive use of the resources on this planet will exhaust those resources, one after the other. With the addition of China, the former USSR and India at the table of mass consumption, any one who nurses cornucopian notions is either mad or extremely stupid and probably warrants dying off for being surplus to evolutions requirements.

In a nutshell, capitalism has always experienced a periodic pattern of boom and bust - what economists call the business cycle. Since the late 1700s, the developed world has witnessed such a pattern of rapid growth followed by widespread stagnation or recession. During boom times, profits are running high and the owners of capital are confident to undertake large-scale investment. Existing factories are expanded, new ones built, more workers are taken on, new mines go down as office blocks and hotels go up. Every enterprise is run at close to full capacity as the bosses seize the good times with both hands.

But this process soon creates its own limits. Shortages of raw materials and credit lead to higher prices and interest rates. Profit margins decline as the costs of production rise. We see that today with stagflation.


In a lot of ways, the thesis is so simple it's shocking that so few people know about it, and among those who do know it's surprising that there is so much cornie cognitive dissonance.

The problem, of course, is that the consequences of this simple thesis are so awful for humanity. That's probably what hangs people up a little.

Too many people, not enough earth.

Not complicated.

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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 04:52:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Too many people, not enough earth.


I may have asked you this question before, but have you talked to your kids about what they plan to do in the future regarding having kids of their own, assuming they make it?

Do you feel that TS will HTF severely enough that such a talk may not even be necessary?
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Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 05:03:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Too many people, not enough earth.


I may have asked you this question before, but have you talked to your kids about what they plan to do in the future regarding having kids of their own, assuming they make it?

Do you feel that TS will HTF severely enough that such a talk may not even be necessary?


There is a part of me that wonders if when my kids here the words "Multiply and fill the earth..." their first response will not be "but it is full already." It will be "Geez there is a lot of space to fill."

Of course the fun of the exponential function is that it doesn't really take that long at all.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby BigTex » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 07:59:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Too many people, not enough earth.


I may have asked you this question before, but have you talked to your kids about what they plan to do in the future regarding having kids of their own, assuming they make it?

Do you feel that TS will HTF severely enough that such a talk may not even be necessary?


My kids are 7, 4 and 9 months old.

I have talked to the 9 month old about it a little. I can't tell how much of it he understands, though.

The other two are busy being kids. I'm just going to let that process unfold for now. Neither of them seem close to having kids of their own at this point.

At some point, I will begin paramilitary training programs for all three. Part of that training will probably include some classroom time with Catton's overshoot and die-off analysis.
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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby EnergyDigger » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 22:12:00

I was curious about the average rig count running world-wide so i built a page utilizing the Baker-Hughes rig count data to evaluate rig counts - we are at a 23 year high at present - I can tell you this, we are drilling faster than ever right now - cheer up. Have a look and make comments at:
http://news.energydigger.com/rig-counts/

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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby Bas » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 07:35:39

rigs don't equal oil, and will only mean less so in the future. You can drill all you want in old fields, but they will only produce marinal wells, which will die out before you can say "increased production", as well as causing existing wells to produce less and die out faster.
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Unread postby EnergyDigger » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 10:12:00

your absolutely incorrect - we are drilling faster and more efficiently than ever - producing ever larger quantities - the only issue is that it is more expensive - the wells I was drilling 10 years or even 20 years ago cost between $750k and $1.5m... the last 6 wells I completed in Wyoming cost over $4m and those are land wells - the drilling projects I have completed offshore, well, you don't want to even know that my friend...

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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby Hermes » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 20:19:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyDigger', 'w')e are drilling faster than ever right now


... and world oil output is still declining ...

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Re: Please prove me wrong!

Unread postby EnergyDigger » Wed 16 Jul 2008, 22:29:39

wrong, do your research - we are actually increasing output - what you mean to say is supply demand differentials are extending at a faster rate than increased output....
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