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The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:00:05

The Nile will still flow when the technicians are gone. The turbines will rust. The water will seek it's level and perhaps the dam will be eroded from beneath through the turbine chambers. Perhaps the chambers will be clogged with debris. The waters will rise and silt will accumulate. Cracks will form as the waters rush over the top. The beautiful falls will do their work and the Aswan Dam will be no more. Then once again, the valley will receive it's nutrient rich silt in the yearly floods.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:03:08

These giant dams only have a lifespan of about 100 years. After that, they become giant waterfalls and/or an unbelievable danger to folks living downstream.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby Cog » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:05:00

Once again we will build pyramids and future generations(if any) will marvel at our ingenuity.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:08:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')nce again we will build pyramids and future generations(if any) will marvel at our ingenuity.


Or they'll say "What the heck were those idiots thinking?"
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Unread postby vetusfirma » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 16:23:41

Has anyone seen an 'ancient dam'. Bet none made it.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')nce again we will build pyramids and future generations(if any) will marvel at our ingenuity.


Or they'll say "What the heck were those idiots thinking?"

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Sadly hoover and Glenn Canyon dam in Arizona probably won't have any water behind them in the distant future.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby darwinsdog » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 20:06:11

The Soviets wouldn't bankroll the building of Nasser's pyramid, so he had them build his dam instead. A pyramid does no harm, whereas the Aswan High Dam has ruined the hydrodynamics of the Nile, on which Egypt's agricultural production has depended for millenia. The annual spate which once restored the fertility of the floodplain is now "controlled," leading to forced reliance on commercial fertilizers. And with all the sediments being trapped behind the dam, the Nile delta is rapidly eroding into the Med. The only thing stupider than building the Aswan dam has been the channelization of the Mississippi & development of its floodplain. Major rivers can't be tamed, as the food rioters of Egypt & innundated Iowans have been learning. Let the rivers flow free, farm the floodplains but don't build on them, work with the natural flood cycles not against them. What am I thinking? That makes too much sense. Humans will never go for it...

Only thing I'd rather see than Lake "Foul" & Lake "Greed" bone dry would be the dams collapsing after a warm rainy spring following a heavy snowpack.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby cannedsalmon » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 21:11:53

Modern dams won't collapse. The grand coulee is wider then it is tall, over hundreds of years it will turn into a sort of rapids through crushed concrete, but it would not collapse.

The truth is they will ALL be removed in obout 30 seconds when the war starts, there will be a large crater lake at each dam site with a 40 square mile area of radioactive strontium rich concrete..
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby Zeeea » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 23:08:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he Nile will still flow when the technicians are gone. The turbines will rust. The water will seek it's level and perhaps the dam will be eroded from beneath through the turbine chambers. Perhaps the chambers will be clogged with debris. The waters will rise and silt will accumulate. Cracks will form as the waters rush over the top. The beautiful falls will do their work and the Aswan Dam will be no more. Then once again, the valley will receive it's nutrient rich silt in the yearly floods.



yes yes yes ...lets hope it happens ...people downstream can get a move on as far as im concerned ...how silly is it building a population next to a dam anyway ...tsk tsk tsk ...
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 23:19:54

I watched a PBS special on one of the dams in AZ. They pretty much said they won't last long and will crumble if not maintained/rebuilt. The silt behind them that builds up is a big problem.

The Mississippi River, i agree, is a bigger mess. I watched another PBS special (i watch them all!) about the history of my hometown (La Crosse) and in it they showed how through the years they tried everything they could to maintain a deep main channel, but couldn't get it to work until the locks and dams were put in. The stupid things don't ever work anyways. People still get flooded out of their homes about every couple of years. Its sad, but kind of reassuring that mother nature always wins. I'm not sure if my house would be flooded out or not, but i could care less. If the river wants it, just give me a hint (or about 10 inches of rain 100 miles north of here) and i'll pack my crap and be gone in less then a day.

The Mississippi does still maintain a lot of its "natural" look around this area. There is a ton of backwater sloughs and cuts that you can still cruise down.

Just wait, another ice age will happen and pretty much everything up this way will be scraped clean. Couple million years and you wouldn't know humans were ever here.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby cannedsalmon » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 02:27:00

Tell me, during an "ice age" why the big glaciers get pushed along on flat ground.

I always wondered what caused them to move along flat plains carving out large structures like grand canyons. Maybe they have huge motors that run on ethanol?

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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby mercurygirl » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 02:55:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') watched a PBS special on one of the dams in AZ. They pretty much said they won't last long and will crumble if not maintained/rebuilt. The silt behind them that builds up is a big problem.

The Mississippi River, i agree, is a bigger mess. I watched another PBS special (i watch them all!) about the history of my hometown (La Crosse) and in it they showed how through the years they tried everything they could to maintain a deep main channel, but couldn't get it to work until the locks and dams were put in. The stupid things don't ever work anyways. People still get flooded out of their homes about every couple of years. Its sad, but kind of reassuring that mother nature always wins. I'm not sure if my house would be flooded out or not, but i could care less. If the river wants it, just give me a hint (or about 10 inches of rain 100 miles north of here) and i'll pack my crap and be gone in less then a day.

The Mississippi does still maintain a lot of its "natural" look around this area. There is a ton of backwater sloughs and cuts that you can still cruise down.


I agree, Frank. Look up the book, "Riverhorse", about a guy piloting a small boat from coast to coast with a little help. He did part of the Mississippi and Missouri on the way. Talks a bit about how the rivers are "managed".

There are rare examples of humans working with nature in order to use water resources sustainably, but I don't know of many currently. Enormous dams for the purpose of energy as constructed probably don't fall into that category. However, hydro power in some areas well-suited can be beneficial. I'm thinking of Niagara Falls, for example. For some time, it has supplied inexpensive power to a broad area. That type of power is limited geographically and will become more so as we contract.

Some day, the Nile delta will be fertile in its yearly cycle again, not because of what we import.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 04:47:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cannedsalmon', 'T')ell me, during an "ice age" why the big glaciers get pushed along on flat ground.

I always wondered what caused them to move along flat plains carving out large structures like grand canyons. Maybe they have huge motors that run on ethanol?
ethanol powered glaciers, heh heh. Mile high ice powered by higher ice north. It really is awesome to think about it. Geologists tell us there was a time when the entire Earth was covered with ice. And there were times when vast humid jungles dwarfing modern ones were roamed by strange enormous creatures. For millions of years a giant predatory snail was at the top of the oceanic food chain. What a planet!
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 04:48:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')alks a bit about how the rivers are "managed".


In western Iowa, all of the little towns along the Missouri are about five miles away from the actual river, instead of picturesquely built on the river bank. Reason: at the time they were built, there was nothing but swamp and quicksand for those five miles, and they did not want their little towns to be flooded out every year.

These rivers flood out because it's natural for them to. We can spend money to temporarily delay the process, but unless we are willing to spend it in-perpetuity, the river will take it back.

At the time these projects were started, we humans, in our arrogance, thought we had the resources to fight nature indefinitely. Guess the joke was on us.
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 13:49:54

What about using electricity generators with a form similar to water mills? They don't disrupt the water stream and still generate electricity. And there may be a lot of them built in the edges of the river...
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Re: The Fate Of The Aswan Dam

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 14:18:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anagami', 'W')hat about using electricity generators with a form similar to water mills? They don't disrupt the water stream and still generate electricity. And there may be a lot of them built in the edges of the river...


Those only work with constant-level rivers. Many of the rivers in the US and elsewhere flood periodically, which would wipe out those mills. That's why people build dams, to control the flow of the water.

There are some small in-stream turbines which are able to deal with changing water levels, but these are only suitable for small applications.
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