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Postby Specop_007 » Tue 08 Mar 2005, 21:32:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Live in poverty? Worry about changing THAT before having more kids ot share your poverty with you.


... and magic HIV-stopping condoms will fall from the sky! Yay! Most people in Africa are too uneducated to know what condoms are but whatever! 80% of girls in the DRC werent even aware of their own uterus. I'm sure magic money and infastructure will apear to teach these people family planning!


Oh please. Your telling me these people STILL havent figured out sex equals babies? Thats the most ridiculous horseshit I've ever heard. In the 3000 some odd years of human history, if they aint figured out fucking makes babies then maybe then SHOULD be removed from the gene pool!
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Postby lotrfan55345 » Tue 08 Mar 2005, 22:34:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
'). In the 3000 some odd years of human history, if they aint figured out fucking makes babies then maybe then SHOULD be removed from the gene pool!


I rest my case.

Even if they were orphaned as kids, had no education and lived on dead birds, they should still know, somehow...

Religion plays a role too, look at this article: http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/sout ... news28.htm

30% of Filipinos don't know where babies come from. Sex is a taboo subject because of the Catholic chruch. Filipinos are ranked above hte US in the fields of Math and Science. Should all people in repressive-Christian countries/environments be killed too?

... and remember, the more diverse gene pool, the more chance of gentic imbreeding and genetic disorders.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 02:02:10

I was working in a "special ed" class yesterday as a substitute teacher. There were four adults and seven students. This is common. It helps pay my bills but talk about waste! This is something that will go by the wayside after PO. And both of my brothers' swimming pool businesses too no doubt. As misery increases in this country only more will die in places like Africa. And this forum will get grimmer and grimmer. I'll go back to read enviroengineer's posts for comic relief.
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Postby mgibbons19 » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 10:20:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I can't do shit for poor african children. As heartwrenching as their situation is.


Sure you can, if you want to:

http://www.greenbeltmovement.org/


Checked out their site.

1) I could give them money - except that's less money for me to do well by my children.

2) They suggest I plant indegenous trees in my area and learn about my own cultural roots. Which while I didn't say explicitly is exactly helping out my community and my kids.


That aside, it is impressive the vehemence with which we hate the poor starving kids in africa. SpecOps has to be the local conservative, but lotrfan??? Guess we're lucky we got the parents we did.
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Postby lotrfan55345 » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 17:44:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I SpecOps has to be the local conservative, but lotrfan??? Guess we're lucky we got the parents we did.


Huh? I was being satirical with the anti-african comments I made.
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Postby Ludi » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:00:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')) I could give them money - except that's less money for me to do well by my children.


I understand, but it seems to me, this is an issue of priorities, not ability, at least as you've stated it. It's your priority to care for your own children, as it should be, rather than to care for someone else's.
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Postby dhickerson » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:00:47

While I do not share all of Specop_007 enthusiasm for personal responcibility in all forms, I do agree that in the United States the concept of being responcible for one's self is pretty much dead. Now, people in Africa who are destitute beyond their own control, uneducated because there is no oportunity, have children due to rape and incest, I feel quite differently about them and don't mind helping them, especially in the education arena. I would almost dare say that nations like the United States (where literacy and education in general are in good shape) have an obligation to share that greath wealth with lesser-capable peoples.
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Postby Malthus » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:06:06

Specop it is easy to pay taxes on five figure income but believe me paying taxes on seven figure income is very very unppleasant experience. The idea that the goverment uses my money to help bring more people to the world that eat my food, drink my water, breath my air and burn my oil,gas,coal etc is disgusting. The only welfare i m wiling to be a part of is one that pays people not to have kids not the contrarybut with all those religious nut jobs running around this doesnt seem to have a chance of happening any time soon. Besides the average african(not african american) uses 90 times less energy than the average american.
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Postby Specop_007 » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:09:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') dont recall OFFERING to pay for low wage earners.

I don't recall OFFERING to pay for a resource war.


Sure you did! Do you USE resources? Yes, yes you do. So, you have a hollow argument. You put out this grand "*I* didnt want a resource war!" but boy you sure do use them....Which makes that argument of yours invalid!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat irritates me most about people bitching about "welfare mothers" is that they get so pissed off about the people "working the system" at the bottom, but refuse to believe that people at the top are also "working the system." They are also clueless about the orders of magnitude involved. The con artists at the top are ripping us off for BILLIONS of dollars. Those at the bottom are ripping us off for a few thousand. And I'd wager the percentage of thieves at the top is far greater than that at the bottom. Which problem is more severe?


Ripping us off for "billions"? Seems a bit outlandish to me. So which problem is more severe? I'd say the poor bottom feeders leeching off of me. I mean, I dont hear rich people with their panties in a bunch over possible SS failure, or changing the poor people handouts. Also, looking at Democratic voter income levels vs number of Democratic votes out of total votes it leads me to believe theres a HELL of a lot of these scum sucking worthless lazy bottom feeders, which *I* have to support.
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Postby mgibbons19 » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:10:04

fair enough
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Postby Ludi » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:13:22

That's a hoot, Specop. Those "bottom feeders" use up a whopping 1 -2 % of the federal budget. Oh, ow, my aching bank account!

Really, if you don't want to support these people, stop working so hard. Honestly. I barely work at all and I don't mind helping support other lazy people.
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Postby Specop_007 » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:40:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hat's a hoot, Specop. Those "bottom feeders" use up a whopping 1 -2 % of the federal budget. Oh, ow, my aching bank account!

Really, if you don't want to support these people, stop working so hard. Honestly. I barely work at all and I don't mind helping support other lazy people.


1-2%?? My ass.
Get your numbers straight, then come try to make an argument.
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Postby Ludi » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 18:58:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')et your numbers straight, then come try to make an argument.



"Myth: A Huge Chunk of My Tax Dollars Supports Welfare Recipients
Fact: Welfare Costs 1 Percent of the Federal Budget

Widespread misperception about the extent of welfare exacerbate the problems of poverty. The actual cost of welfare programs-about 1 percent of the federal budget and 2 percent of state budgets (McLaughlin, 1997)-is proportionally less than generally believed. During the 104th Congress, more than 93 percent of the budget reductions in welfare entitlements came from programs for low-income people (Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 1996). Ironically, middle-class and wealthy Americans also receive "welfare" in the form of tax deductions for home mortgages, corporate and farm subsidies, capital gains tax limits, Social Security, Medicare, and a multitude of other tax benefits. Yet these types of assistance carry no stigma and are rarely considered "welfare" (Goodgame, 1993). Anti-welfare sentiment appears to be related to attitudes about class and widely shared and socially sanctioned stereotypes about the poor. Racism also fuels negative attitudes toward welfare programs (Quadagno, 1994)."


http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html


"1) Corporate welfare is a large and growing component of the federal budget. America's most costly welfare recipients today are Fortune 500 companies. In 1997 the Fortune 500 corporations recorded best-ever earnings of $325 billion, yet incredibly Uncle Sam doled out nearly $75 billion in taxpayer subsidies. These welfare payments come in every conceivable shape and size, including government grants, contracts, cut rate insurance, loans, and loan guarantees. There are roughly 125 such business subsidy programs in the federal budget and they can be found in virtually every cabinet agency of the government--including the Defense Department."

http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-sm063099.html

Who's arguing? I'm just suggesting you're working way too hard and worrying too much about the wrong things, like all these slackers you're supposedly supporting...
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Postby maverickdoc » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 19:14:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Malthus', 'S')pecop it is easy to pay taxes on five figure income but believe me paying taxes on seven figure income is very very unppleasant experience. The idea that the goverment uses my money to help bring more people to the world that eat my food, drink my water, breath my air and burn my oil,gas,coal etc is disgusting. The only welfare i m wiling to be a part of is one that pays people not to have kids not the contrarybut with all those religious nut jobs running around this doesnt seem to have a chance of happening any time soon. Besides the average african(not african american) uses 90 times less energy than the average american.


Malthus, you think it is hard paying taxes on 7 figures. Try my 30 figures, all that taxes. The idea that these filthy cheeses eating liberal surrender moneys using our money, to feed the poor or vaccinate kids, or to teach the illiterate. Why the other day I say this puppy breathing my air! I mean how dare it? It is my air, well I took my gold (24 K, thank you very much) plated H2 hummer and well you know the rest… Just makes my blood boil. I mean rich people like us should be buying jets and fancy limousines, and driving our Ferraris right? We need to divert money away from nonsense like feeding those lazy homeless and help the really needy like Halliburton or Bechtel. Pardon me while I go take a dip in my swimming pool which is full of money.
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Postby Specop_007 » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 20:18:01

In that case Ludi I apologize. I was working under the assumption we throw SS into the mix, which obviously would make it over 1-2%.
While not all SS is a waste, it DEFINATELY needs a very thorough overhaul.
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Postby threadbear » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 20:39:46

The hard right have no clue where their tax dollars are really going. The dollars could be disappearing up their own asses and they'd be so busy fussing and futzing about "worthless eaters" they wouldn't feel a thing.

Most of the poor are working, and you know what Holmes and Spec? You don't see them because to you, they're invisible. They're often slightly overweight, middle aged janitorial staff, working for minimum wage.

They're the ones who mop up your urine when you miss the bowl. They're the ones who ask you if you want fries with that, ask you if you enjoyed shopping at Mal-Wart. They might be wiping your kid's butt in daycare, or mowing your lawn.

Very very few of the poor recieve any kind of benefit for subsidizing your relatively comfortable existence. Learn how to use a mop. I sense a little instant karma coming your way.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 21:04:43

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead
What in the world are you thinkin' of
Laughing in the face of love
What on Earth are you tryin' to do
Its up to you yeah you

Instant karma's gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin'
Join the human race
How in the world are you gonna see
Laughing at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you are?
A superstar?
Well right you are!

Instant karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Everyone you meet

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Postby Ludi » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 21:09:35

Thank you, Specop.
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Postby Aaron » Thu 10 Mar 2005, 14:28:49

Well well well,

What a nasty little thread this has become.

We give you a way to flame that is board approved... but it's easier to just spew inside this thread.

So, (yet again), here is another demo of how you crossthread.

crossthread
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Postby AnnaLivia » Thu 10 Mar 2005, 15:14:53

AnnaLivia wouldn’t dream of causing this thread to be hurled into the Hall of Flames, and thought she had properly taken care not to do so. She hopes a discussion could continue here, in the original thread.

But Ruth Ruthless has written a message to Specop. So this is just to let any interested parties know that you can find her…shall we say ‘upbraiding of him’ there in the Hall of Flames.

Gimme a minute to figure out how to start a thread.



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