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How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby btu2012 » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 12:42:04

I agree with you FerretLover. The war of the sexes is just another sick ideology split off from Marxism. But it is necessary to set the record straight given how much brainwashing and sheer lies have been and are being spread about gender.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Feminists -v- The Marriage License Bureau of the State of New York ...All the discriminatory practices against women are patterned and rationalized by this slavery-like practice. We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.

Sisterhood Is Powerful, Robin Morgan (ed), 1970, p. 537.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')arriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women... We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men.

The Declaration of Feminism, November 1971
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children. ... Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people's needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all.

Functions of the Family, Linda Gordon,WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ince marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.

Sheila Cronan
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist.

National NOW Times, Jan.1988
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is true, as Professor Goldberg points out, that all the claims so glibly made about societies ruled by women are nonsense. We have no reason to believe that they ever existed....

Feminism Against Science, National Review, November 18,1991, p.30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Just as the end goal of socialist revolution was not only the elimination of the economic class privilege but of the economic class distinction itself, so the end goal of feminist revolution must be, ... not just the elimination of the male privilege, but of the sex distinction itself; genital differences between human beings would no longer matter culturally.

Shulamith Firestone, The Dialectic of Sex, Bantam Books, 1972, pp.10-11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he opposite of heterosexual desire is the eroticising of sameness, a sameness of power, equality and mutuality. It is homosexual desire.

Sheila Jeffreys, Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution, London: Women's Press,1990, p.300
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them.
Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation...[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll men are good for is f&%$ing, and running over with a truck".
Statement made by a University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')saac Newton's Principia Mathematica is a "rape manual" because "science is a male rape of female nature"; Beethoven's Ninth Symphony expresses the "throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release.
Sandra Harding of University of Delaware and Susan McClary, "who applies feminist theories to music," respectively.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.
[...]Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it[...] In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.
Catherine MacKinnon
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.
Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')[Acquaintance rape] is more common than left-handedness, alcoholism and heart attacks.
Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')en who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.
Catherine Comins, Vassar College, Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
Robin Morgan, editor of MS magazine
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'â')€¦[I]t is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men... All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft
The Declaration of Feminism, November 1971.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')od is going to change. We women... will change the world so much that He won't fit anymore.
Naomi Goldenberg, Changing of the Gods: Feminism and the End of Traditional Religions
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')arxism and Feminism are one, and that one is Marxism
Heidi Hartmann and Amy Bridges, The unhappy marriage of Marxism and Feminism
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')eminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.
Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State, 1989, First Harvard University Press. Page 10.
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 13:22:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'F')erretlover and Btu,
Thanks for the great additions to the thread.


Why, you're welcome, dear. :)
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Zeeea » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 21:17:43

yes I know its possible, if I didnt think it possible i wouldnt be here now :)
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I understand how easy it is to dismiss what you have not lived as inconsequential and or unrelated to society today, but regardless who is where, what language we speak, whatever religion you believe in, whatever sex people are, we each have a responsibility to "civilized society" to see each other as equals and show respect where respect is due.

It is because the above mentioned was not conformed to and people were reduced to arguing over who's God is the best, gender biasing, border related issues, colour of skin, resource and asset allocations, none of these things should have even been an issue if dealt with better diplomacy and foresight. Now im just getting into my own personal beliefs though and which is why im disapointed what was available to our ancestors is no longer available to us to survive as a race. I feel too many resources have already been taken and there is no going back. IMO we are now watching the earth die. My children are watching the world die. I dont talk to them about it, its too depressing and I want them to be as happy as they can be for as long as possible.

It makes no difference now what our ancestors done, but recognition of their destruction should not be dismissed. Learning from past mistakes is a necesity "if" its not too late anyway.

People can see for themselves whats happening around the world with the enviroment, yet some people still arent convinced :/ ? Birds breeding out of season, flowers out of season, increasing loss of earths magnetism because we have extracted too much metal, unusual weather patterns like the lightening strikes Tornados and floods America is now experiencing, like the still no rain in Australia - we get dust storms in the middle of Autumn/Winter instead! Rotten tomatoes and fruit suddenly making people sick, etc etc etc etc etc, IMO its because the Earth has lost its natural pattern of evolution and no longer has the necesary amount of whatever it needs to survive. Once we have finished earth will just be dead. There will be no more little ice ages and reproduction of life on earth by people hiding out in caves anymore. Itll be just another dead planet floating around in space like all the other dead planets. If that isnt enough to get people just a little concerned about tell me what in the readers of this opinions is?

Do people here believe the Earth can be saved? If not, why? If we are not to blame our past generations then who? It keeps going back to the same question ...how did it get so bad? {text deleted for COC violation}
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 21:59:08

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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Zeeea » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 22:13:30

can you tell me what was innapropriate with my questions?
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Zeeea » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 23:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zeeea', 'c')an you tell me what was innapropriate with my questions?


I can tell you to change your avatar. It does not match the attitude I perceive. Your avatar is all happy, smiley, kissy, YAY! Your attitude seems to be from the pits of Hades. May I suggest a devil type avatar? Image
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lol ...I guess the people here arent bringing out the best in me.

Ive gone out of my way to explain im not totally against men and to state only facts and my own personal opinions but sorry to say even that wasnt enough for some here to accept that for what I said it was. Any talk of the past and how things were different for the sexes is instantly converted to feminism.

Its unfortunate a healthy honest debate isnt possible here and that prejudice is still as bad as its ever been.

Also for those who think Ive no idea what im talking or that this topic of discussion is not relevent then read this 5 page spread from Time Magazine/CCN dated 27th June 2008 (today)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -1,00.html

Although I do not agree with everything there it shows this topic is relevent to your Peak Oil discussions.
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Zeeea » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 23:45:54

man ive been trying to keep this topic to a luke warm temperature lol, i guess Ive touched a nerve.

But I know when enough is enough. I think I got my message across and have already proven my point, but, if people continue this debate I will feel obliged to respond so rethink before you click submit ok :)
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 00:03:35

Back on topic, please. Thank you.
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Re: How my own observations mirrored Peak Oil...

Unread postby Zeeea » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 02:53:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zeeea', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zeeea', 'c')an you tell me what was innapropriate with my questions?


I can tell you to change your avatar. It does not match the attitude I perceive. Your avatar is all happy, smiley, kissy, YAY! Your attitude seems to be from the pits of Hades. May I suggest a devil type avatar? Image
Image Image
I am a man-of-few-words, but all I gotta say is Image



lol ...I guess the people here arent bringing out the best in me.

Ive gone out of my way to explain im not totally against men and to state only facts and my own personal opinions but sorry to say even that wasnt enough for some here to accept that for what I said it was. Any talk of the past and how things were different for the sexes is instantly converted to feminism.

Its unfortunate a healthy honest debate isnt possible here and that prejudice is still as bad as its ever been.

Also for those who think Ive no idea what im talking or that this topic of discussion is not relevent then read this 5 page spread from Time Magazine/CCN dated 27th June 2008 (today)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -1,00.html

Although I do not agree with everything there it shows this topic is relevent to your Peak Oil discussions.


Hey, at least I got a LOL out of ya! That is all I was looking for.
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We cannot correct our ancestor's faults.
Probably too late to worry about the future?????
I have not thrown in the towel yet.

I would never accuse you of not knowing what you are talking about. I read this entire thread before posting. I catch that you are mainly against men of the past. I know where I work, woman make the same, if not more than I do for the same job. For whatever reason, I have not complained. Perhaps because I am not a complainer, by nature. It does no good at all in my book.
Everything you have let loose here seems to be complaints about the past. What, pray tell, is the point? I do not complain about the present, but you seem to feel compelled to complain about the past????
It will accomplish nothing.


What accomplishes nothing is doing nothing ...

My point was an open discussion on learning from past mistakes. Until the problems are identified then there is little chance of fixing them. I was merely pointing what I thought the problem was. Yes I agree "again" things are much better now than they were but they are still not as they should be so no I was not only referring to history but to recent events. I do not know how to get my point across without being called a feminist and having my posts edited by a moderator so there is absolutely no point even trying is there ...freedom of speech and equality ...I dont think so ...not here anyway when it comes to discussing history ...maybe things now are worse than I thought if writing this is still unwelcome. Maybe its just the men Im talking about cant handle being reminded that they have failed, they cannot offer any worthwhile explanations for their deeds and they cannot take constructive critism for their own well being, also going by the messages from moderator ferretlover, they dont like that shown up in public and will happily (but wrongfully) call me a blanket man hater to cover his ass ...
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