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Re: Milwaukee food riot
by Ferretlover » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 13:33:39
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Re: Milwaukee food riot
by Heineken » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 14:26:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gunny7258', 'H')ey Heineken,
Your tale did not whistle right by me. The fact is that yes what happened to you sucks but it is nobodys problem but your own. Those are the cold hard facts. Kind of like how everyone drives by the guy on the freeway with a flat tire.
As far as health insurance goes yes there are problems but they cannot be fixed with more government. Part of the reason the insurance is so damn high now is the required government coverage mandates. You know like the automatic childbirth coverage you have to pay for even if you are a single male??
If restrictions were eased andd people could cherry pick what they wanted covered prices would come down fast but until then they will not.
And if you break your leg you will not be denied medical assistance in this country, you just won't. You may have get put on a payment plan but you will not be denied. Hell most hospitals have whole departments set up to help people who are having a hard time paying. Just call and ask.
Your tale did not whistle right by me. The fact is that yes what happened to you sucks but it is nobodys problem but your own. Those are the cold hard facts. Kind of like how everyone drives by the guy on the freeway with a flat tire.
As far as health insurance goes yes there are problems but they cannot be fixed with more government. Part of the reason the insurance is so damn high now is the required government coverage mandates. You know like the automatic childbirth coverage you have to pay for even if you are a single male??
If restrictions were eased andd people could cherry pick what they wanted covered prices would come down fast but until then they will not.
And if you break your leg you will not be denied medical assistance in this country, you just won't. You may have get put on a payment plan but you will not be denied. Hell most hospitals have whole departments set up to help people who are having a hard time paying. Just call and ask.
(Ferret: I promise this will be my last word on the matter.)
Only a fool or a health-company stockholder or employee would speak in favor of the current so-called system.
Or someone who is fat, sassy, comfortable and complacent under his current arrangement, which is far more fragile than he may realize. Turn a few screws and you're in the same boat as I am and changing your mind about national health insurance!
Many uninsured people are being denied care. They are denied care through long delays that often result in death. Or through the misclassification of urgent care as "elective."
Also, many "insured" people are being denied care or reimbursement. Their claims are rejected for all sorts of creative reasons the insurance companies "build in" to policies.
Also: Some hospitals are shutting down because they cannot afford to pay for "free" or reduced-cost care. Cost-shifting does not solve the problem, and sooner or later the problem will get shifted to your own sassy lap!
One of the reasons costs are so high is because of the insane bureaucratic requirements and paperwork imposed by zillions of disparate health insurance outfits. It's even worse than government incompetence. At least that incompetence is centralized, which imposes a certain order.
This is just the beginning of the many ways you are wrong. I spent 17 years working for the top leaders of an allied health care field (pharmacy) and now I can't get health care myself. Is that a great system or what?
The private insurance system is collapsing in its own shit. What will you have then.
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Re: Milwaukee food riot
by Zardoz » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 15:03:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')elfare consumes way more of your taxes then the war in Iraq.
Depends on your definition of "welfare":
Click on the pieces of the pies for details.
To me, only TANF is real "welfare". It's a mere $17 billion. That's pocket change for the Department Of Defense. They could scrape that up from under their sofa cushions.
Iraq: $600 Billion in just five years
Fact: The United States of America spends more on its military every year than all the rest of the world combined.
How much of that is necessary, and how much of it is the result of the work of the defense contracting industry's massive lobbying and PR efforts?
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Re: Milwaukee food riot
by shortonoil » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 16:14:23
Zardoz said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act: The United States of America spends more on its military every year than all the rest of the world combined.
How much of that is necessary, and how much of it is the result of the work of the defense contracting industry's massive lobbying and PR efforts?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act: The United States of America spends more on its military every year than all the rest of the world combined.
How much of that is necessary, and how much of it is the result of the work of the defense contracting industry's massive lobbying and PR efforts?
All the world combined - amazing, shock sets in every time I read that fact.
How much is necesssary - 20%
How much is from lobbying efforts - 90%
The US, all through this is denied by Americans, is absolutely, 100%, bankrupt. The country according to the World Bank holds assets of $54 trillion. The country holds debt of $54 trillion. The foreclosure proceedings are in progress, the sheriff has yet to arrive.
To build and maintain this ridiculous war machine, which was constructed to create a world wide empire (we euphemistically term it defense) the nation has poured several generations of resources into it. To keep the illusion present that we could afford some warlords’ delusion, the government borrowed $10 of trillions.
The borrowing is over, the delusion is turning into a nightmare, and all that will be left of the imperial edict will be piles of rust, and an impoverished nation.
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Re: Milwaukee food riot
by frankthetank » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 16:36:21
Zardoz/others..
I was being sarcastic...very sarcastic.
Even if you have health coverage, doesn't mean you are covered. Only a fool would believe that. So you side with the millionaires that run the HMO's and could give a crap about you or your diseases? Good luck buddy. Welcome to PO. Have a fun future.
PS... Lay off the Limbaugh. Try to live your own life and not let others dictate how you think. Your nothing more then a tool to them.
Maybe you like being someones tool?
This whole thread should be moved to open discussion or something.
I was being sarcastic...very sarcastic.
Even if you have health coverage, doesn't mean you are covered. Only a fool would believe that. So you side with the millionaires that run the HMO's and could give a crap about you or your diseases? Good luck buddy. Welcome to PO. Have a fun future.
PS... Lay off the Limbaugh. Try to live your own life and not let others dictate how you think. Your nothing more then a tool to them.
Maybe you like being someones tool?
This whole thread should be moved to open discussion or something.
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Re: Milwaukee food riot
by vision-master » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 16:54:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]Zardoz said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act: The United States of America spends more on its military every year than all the rest of the world combined.
How much of that is necessary, and how much of it is the result of the work of the defense contracting industry's massive lobbying and PR efforts?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act: The United States of America spends more on its military every year than all the rest of the world combined.
How much of that is necessary, and how much of it is the result of the work of the defense contracting industry's massive lobbying and PR efforts?
All the world combined - amazing, shock sets in every time I read that fact.
How much is necesssary - 20%
How much is from lobbying efforts - 90%
The US, all through this is denied by Americans, is absolutely, 100%, bankrupt. The country according to the World Bank holds assets of $54 trillion. The country holds debt of $54 trillion. The foreclosure proceedings are in progress, the sheriff has yet to arrive.
To build and maintain this ridiculous war machine, which was constructed to create a world wide empire (we euphemistically term it defense) the nation has poured several generations of resources into it. To keep the illusion present that we could afford some warlords’ delusion, the government borrowed $10 of trillions.
The borrowing is over, the delusion is turning into a nightmare, and all that will be left of the imperial edict will be piles of rust, and an impoverished nation.
Back in the US[s]sr[/s]A!
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