[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he "knee deep in horseshit" response.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'H')ere we have someone who is actively discouraging energy development because he clearly wants to see our society fail, and all of us go back to an era of darkness.

In reality sensible investments in nuclear power as well as alternative energy sources for most vehicles (such as electric cars) would go a long way towards solving this issue.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'A')s said, it's the "official" UN projection, not mine, and I don't consider it likely. The whole discussion has become quite silly.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'H')ere we have someone who is actively discouraging energy development because he clearly wants to see our society fail, and all of us go back to an era of darkness.

[outcast]

Ok, so explain it to me then. Why is more energy bad?

[MrBean]

The era of darkness. Yes, bring it on, back to candles and oil lamps - enough of light pollution. Would be nice for us citifolks too to see the stars...

I doubt very much that electricity can be produced sustainably by any means in the long run.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'O')k, so explain it to me then. Why is more energy bad?

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Because the resource inputs needed to product MORE energy are non-renewable.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Because the resource inputs needed to product MORE energy are non-renewable.

[ROCKMAN]

Homesteader,

There may be a shortage for nuke plants we aren't even thinking about. For a couple of years I've been hearing about a shortage of engineers causing delays and actual cancellation of major projects around the world. This was a generalized statement but I would guess that a large portion of nuke construction falls into a general category. Of course, folks go where the money is. If building nukes gets to be THE PRIORITY then I guess the salaries would be bumped up enough to pull them in.

I know in my oil patch we are just beginning the start of a major drop in ecperience level. Due to the cyclic nature of the oil biz the experience level curve has some big peaks and troughs. There's a big trough of experience in the 55 and younger bracket. I don't have the data base handy but I'll guess the oil patch will loose at least 50% of the top hands in the next 5 or 6 years. Granted we can't stop PO by drilling but we can slow it up a little with some more holes in the ground. Also, natural gas is becoming a bigger asset as PO approaches. Loosing experienced hands will impact that area also.

[BigTex]

outcast, you either have a lot of homework to do or you are a hopeless cornucopian.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you haven't studied the matter closely.

Read up on carrying capacity and overshoot.

Spend some time thinking about long term tensions arising in a world of limitless human imaginations and finite resource constraints. Think about how that might play out and how population growth might aggravate those tensions.

Think about what the long term purposes and effects are of exponential population and economic growth in a world of physical limits.

Consider that there may be blind spots in your understanding of whether the world is here exclusively for our benefit and use or if we are here as one member of a diverse ecosystem, the long term purpose of which is survival, in the aggregate, of some form of life over very long periods.

Then think about whether human intelligence and our tendency to view success in terms of conquest and control are, on balance, good or bad things from the perspective of long term survival of our species or of life in any form on this planet.

[ROCKMAN]

Tex et al,

Not to interupt the flow (I do follow the conversation with interest) but back to the title of this thread for a moment:

Just a quick poll amongst our happy clan: 1)how many oil and gas fields have been doscovered along the Atlantic Coast 2) How soon might new leases are offered in this trend?

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'O')k, so explain it to me then. Why is more energy bad?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'O')k, so explain it to me then. Why is more energy bad?

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')
Because the resource inputs needed to product MORE energy are non-renewable.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'O')k, so explain it to me then. Why is more energy bad?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ') It's called giving up.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')
I'm afraid you are describing what you would like to see.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')
I'm afraid you are describing what you would like to see.

[Ludi]

Who is saying we will stop using fossil fuels?

I missed that part....

Who is intentionally depriving anyone of medical care?

Man, I keep missing these thing.....