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Gas at $4 brings promises, pandering from candidates

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Re: Gas at $4 brings promises, pandering from candidates

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 13:37:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'I') don't drive at all. Don't even own a car. :wink:


Congrats! You are miles ahead of most of us.

IMHO, the pandering of both candidates during the campaign won't matter much anyway.

Obama isn't likely to bring down oil prices by suing OPEC and limiting US futures trading, and McCain would be essentially powerless to open offshore areas to drilling or to promote nuclear plant construction if he won, because the Congress would be controlled by the democrats. :)
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Re: Gas at $4 brings promises, pandering from candidates

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 17:48:04

One possibility is the POTUS using H Bombs as leverage: The Nuclear Option. This assumes said President has the best interests of the American public in the first place.

Would consuming nations attempt an embargo of car exports to producing nations that show massive increases in domestic consumption? This is the sort of subject that crosses my mind a lot, but you never hear the like from members of Congress, never mind Pres candidates.

Not on board with the speculative theories. Can't wait for the vote, I think they're waiting until Sept. to gather evidence or some such rubbish. Expect any available effigy to get the torch. Dem resistance to expanded drilling etc. will, in the wake of $6+/gallon gas, collapse - along with sundry other items...

You can stop any time, Plant. Partisan sniping is about as exciting as watching heavily medicated invalids play lawn darts. Orlov: "In the Soviet Union at election time you only had the one bitter pill of the Communist Party. In the US with the Capitalist Parties you have two placebos."
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Re: Gas at $4 brings promises, pandering from candidates

Unread postby dbruning » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 19:35:48

One of my coworkers is a fairly bright guy. He's convinced the issue is a weakening US economy and speculation causing the run-up in price.

I actually agree with him that those reasons are probably making things worse. The only question I have is if they are the only responsible factors...

My guess is they are not. But trying to convince him otherwise was singularly unrewarding.
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Re: Gas at $4 brings promises, pandering from candidates

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 19:44:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'D')em resistance to expanded drilling etc. will, in the wake of $6+/gallon gas, collapse ... Partisan sniping


You are welcome to fantasize that at some magic price level the dems will suddenly abandon 30 years of consistent opposition to expanded drilling. Personally, I don't see any sign of it. You seem to think the dems are lying when people like Sen. Leahy said "supply and demand have nothing to do" with the high oil prices, so no additional drilling is needed. I take the democrats at their word----they just don't get it---they still don't think there is any problem with the oil supply.

Back here in the real world the dems have made it very clear that they don't think additional oil supply is needed, and that they will continue to oppose offshore drilling in US waters or opening ANWR.

The dems think the high oil prices are due to speculators and collusion in OPEC and they have authored legislation to solve the high oil price problem by restricting US access to futures markets.

I just don't think that approach will solve the energy problems caused by peak oil.
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