[geojap2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I') don't know what this thread is about.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I')
But will say...men (most of em) need guns to occupy their destructive tendencies as hunters and warriors. If they didn't have their guns they would take it out on their wives.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('geojap2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I') don't know what this thread is about.

[geojap2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I')
But will say...men (most of em) need guns to occupy their destructive tendencies as hunters and warriors. If they didn't have their guns they would take it out on their wives.

[PrairieMule]

Well you take away our tonka toys and this is all we have left is John Carter of Mars.



The Year is 2010, I am Prairiemule of the Kiamichi wastelands! I have seen the enemy martians and they are all wearing Eddie Bauer barn coats.

[geojap2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'E')ither way... please don't call me a hippie

[gnm]

Real fun is two groups entering from two different sides of a network of linked storm sewer tunnels (fairly clean) armed with bottle rockets.....

-G

[BigTex]

I think the point of this thread can be summed up in a photograph:



MacGyver was the type of male who will likely do well in the future I foresee. He has a deep pool of skills and experiences from which to draw, and he has a high degree of emotional and psychological flexibility in the way he analyzes situations and develops plans and strategies.

He uses the tools and materials that are available, and does not rely upon his own personal arsenal or toolbox to get him through crisis situations.

He has a good understanding of human personalities and can work alone or as part of a team, including in a leadership role if needed.

He picks his battles carefully, and leverages the elements of surprise and diversion to maximum effect.

In a survival contest between Burt Gummer (Tremors), James Bond, Rambo and MacGyver, I believe that MacGyver would do the best.

He is sort of like an "Industrial Ninja."

***

The fundamental flaw in the MPD, to me, is simply that it encourages mental laziness because of the peace of mind and false sense of security that certain hardware provides. There is something to be said for investing in things that give you peace of mind, but there is also the need to keep the mind sharp and prepared to adapt to new situations rapidly, because that's really what a crisis or other survival situation is--an environment that has changed more rapidly than you or others were expecting, which is in itself the result of a failure to think about matters in a sufficiently creative or flexible manner.

I think that the Cantonese word for "TSHTF" is "opportunity."

The zero-sum concept doesn't just apply to a well-ordered society. In times of uncertainty enormous profits are made by those who approach the situation with foresight and creativity. Thus, the best reality-based counter to the MPD might be to study how aggressive and decisive political and economic measures during historical crises have been made and the parties who benefited most from those actions. Once you have your short list in hand, it might be useful to see how one might participate in that opportunistic wealth.

Here is a short list:

- defense contractors

- "do everything" firms such as Halliburton

- heavy equipment manufacturers that could be retooled quickly to make all sorts of things

- owners of difficult to build infrastructure such as rails

Remember this guy?



Rhett Butler was an Industrial Ninja. You may recall that he was a Civil War arms dealer and the object of Scarlett's affection in "Gone with the Wind" who may or may not have been selling guns to more than one side. He was making money, gettin' lovin' and looking mighty cool in the biggest TSHTF event of that era.

[vetusfirma]

I don't know about delusions, I think tex and cur are grinding their axes, probably got scared by a Male when they were young.

I do know hat we are suppose to lose 4 or 5 of the 6.5 BILLION people as a result of oil depletion. Thats like 5 out of every 6 people are going to go away. And you think they won't complain, won't resist or try and compete for the scarce resources. Right.

So you just decide which you will be, one of the 10 or one of the 2 left standing.

As for resisting in general, I always think of the jews and that if each had just fought to the death with the SS squads and had this same ratio, the SS would have all died first.

To make the problem worse, you might have to care for others, a wife, children, parents, commune folk. That would mean you would need to be able to help 50 or 60 of 'them' meet their depletion goal.

Now thats what I call a Male Paramilitary Evaluation. But only one side will keep score. You know about winners and history.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'I') don't know about delusions, I think tex and cur are grinding their axes, probably got scared by a Male when they were young.

I do know hat we are suppose to lose 4 or 5 of the 6.5 BILLION people as a result of oil depletion. Thats like 5 out of every 6 people are going to go away. And you think they won't complain, won't resist or try and compete for the scarce resources. Right.

So you just decide which you will be, one of the 10 or one of the 2 left standing.

As for resisting in general, I always think of the jews and that if each had just fought to the death with the SS squads and had this same ratio, the SS would have all died first.

To make the problem worse, you might have to care for others, a wife, children, parents, commune folk. That would mean you would need to be able to help 50 or 60 of 'them' meet their depletion goal.

Now thats what I call a Male Paramilitary Evaluation. But only one side will keep score. You know about winners and history.

[uncarve_db_lock]

I think the Industrial Ninja is surely the way to go. MacGyver was surely one of my hero's growing up.
As has been stated, the mental strength and community relations are much more durable than any tool, regardless of its caliber or sharpness.

We just have to hope that there aren't too many Murdochs out there. I do believe that he was Macgyver's arch enemy and he was pretty bad ass too.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uncarve_db_lock', 'I') think the Industrial Ninja is surely the way to go. MacGyver was surely one of my hero's growing up.
As has been stated, the mental strength and community relations are much more durable than any tool, regardless of its caliber or sharpness.

We just have to hope that there aren't too many Murdochs out there. I do believe that he was Macgyver's arch enemy and he was pretty bad ass too.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'W')e just have to hope that there aren't too many Murdochs out there. I do believe that he was Macgyver's arch enemy and he was pretty bad ass too.

[bodigami]

I don't know why, but I've never really liked violence. I have always thought of violence of so POINTLESS. The only valid violence is self defense... and I have practiced martial arts. But even then, it's not something I really enjoy. Beating someone, even in a sport (ie: boxing), is simply not "my thing".

[dorlomin]

The biggest best armed group of young men in any nation state are its army. They are always led by older politicaly well connected men who see themselves as guardians of the nation.

When the crunch really starts to bite it will be the millitary that win out in the end. They will assume the same roles in the US and UK as the Kemalists in Turkey, behind the politicians 'guarding the state'. Young paramilitary boy is not going to win against them. Ever.

I like the McGuyver idea. Flexibility and avoiding confrontation are the real keys to maximising survival chances.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '
')I like the McGuyver idea. Flexibility and avoiding confrontation are the real keys to maximising survival chances.

[Olaf]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'W')e just have to hope that there aren't too many Murdochs out there. I do believe that he was Macgyver's arch enemy and he was pretty bad ass too.

[Olaf]

It also seems to me that it is obvious that being mentally conditioned for stressful situations will be a true asset. We will likely deal with things both stressful and traumatic from what most are used to in their every day lives.

It can be difficult to know how one will react. Have you found yourself in traumatic situations? How did you respond? Are you a quick thinker on your feet? Do you have leadership skills? Know yourself and know your limitations. Make honest assessments. People will have benefit to each other. Where one is weak, others will be strong. A well organized community or network will be indispensable.

Strength in the pack kinda thing.

Olaf

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Olaf', 'I')t also seems to me that it is obvious that being mentally conditioned for stressful situations will be a true asset. We will likely deal with things both stressful and traumatic from what most are used to in their every day lives.

It can be difficult to know how one will react. Have you found yourself in traumatic situations? How did you respond? Are you a quick thinker on your feet? Do you have leadership skills? Know yourself and know your limitations. Make honest assessments. People will have benefit to each other. Where one is weak, others will be strong. A well organized community or network will be indispensable.

Strength in the pack kinda thing.

Olaf