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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 00:11:13

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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 01:32:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') know grains are pretty much not doable in a backyard, but potatoes are. Wouldn't that provide enough calories?


Very doable. Back of the napkin calculation . . .

330 calories per pound.

So you'd need about a ton of potatoes, or about 442 five pound bags of potatoes to feed one person for one year. If it's 1 cubic foot per bag, you need about 1/2 of a 10x10 room filled with potatoes.

If you want to feed a family of 4, its 8,000 pounds of potatoes. Or 2 rooms 10x10 filled from floor to ceiling.

So, when you start looking at it that way, you see why 5 billion people are going to die.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby skyemoor » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 13:20:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Golgo13', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'T')he storage life of brown and white rice is covered at Walton Feeds.

The short of it: people have successfully stored brown rice over 10 years; temperature and oxygen removal are key to preventing the oxidation of the oils in the germ.


Maybe if you sealed it very well and kept it frozen the entire time you could manage 10 years on brown rice, but I'm not counting on being able to manage that. You'd need a huge freezer to store rice like that.


Not sure what you are basing the rejection of first hand experience from Walton Feed on, but I'd like to know what references you are basing your opinion on about needing to freeze rice that has been stored in an oxygen-free environment. Perhaps you are assuming this based on your conditions of 70+ degrees. My basement in Virginia stays in the 58F - 68F range.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Golgo13 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 04:11:05

Quote from the site:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')rown and white rices store very differently. Brown rice is only expected to store for 6 months under average conditions. This is because of the essential fatty acids in brown rice. These oils quickly go rancid as they oxidize. It will store much longer if refrigerated.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tored in the absence of oxygen, brown rice will last longer than if it was stored in air. Plan on 1 to 2 years. It is very important to store brown rice as cool as possible, for if you can get the temperature down another ten degrees, it will double the storage life again.


I live in central Texas, so temperature is an issue. Although I like white rice much more than brown rice, when it comes to survival I'm a hardcore pragmatist. If I could get brown rice to store for like 6 years then I'd use it over white rice, but I don't think I'd be able to keep the temp down on large amounts of it.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby kcorder79 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 11:29:40

I just wanted to thank all of you for all of this useful information. My husband has been reading about peak-oil for a while and when he first mentioned it to me I freaked out...it made me nervous..I have since accepted it and I want to help our family prepare for the worst. I didn't know where to start. We have been stocking up on rice and I didn't know what to do with it. I am so glad I stumbled across this forum. Thanks :-D
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 12:03:21

I didn't know the short shelf life of brown rice, and yes, the brown rice stored from two years ago has gone stale. Oh well, live and learn (I hope!).
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Golgo13 » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 22:05:46

Hmm, apparently you have to let the dry ice evaporate and force the oxygen out before sealing the bucket or you'll build up pressure. How can you tell when the dry ice is evaporated? Wouldn't oxygen get back in the bucket after it evaporated but before you sealed the bucket?

I wonder how practical drilling a hole in the top of each lid and putting a one way O2 valve like used in CPR masks would be so it could vent, but no gases could get inside.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Jenab6 » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 15:48:14

I make two main dishes with white rice. One is a soup, and the other is sort of a slop.

The soup is made with a mix of great northern beans (which are white) and cranberry beans (which are brown). Half a cup of each in a three-quart pot of water, with half a cup of rice being added later, when the beans have cooked soft. Other ingredients and spices used: salt, black pepper, red pepper, cumin, onion (bits or powder), and a few slices of pepperoni.

The slop is made with blackeye peas. 3/4 cup of them in a three-quart pot of water, with a whole cup of rice being added later, when the peas have cooked soft. Other ingredients and spices used: salt, black pepper, red pepper, onion powder, sliced mushrooms, and a cup of browned & drained hamburger.

I could try a variation of the soup with lima beans. And I could vary the slop by using field peas instead of blackeye peas.

I keep white rice in large trashcans, still in their plastic bags. I find that it keeps that way for at least eight years, and that only one bag in 150 ever develops any bugs. When I find a buggy bag, I remove it from the pile. If the infested bag isn't too bad, I use it up ASAP, picking out any bugs I see. If I don't get them all, they're protein.
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