[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', ' ') Electrolysis and running a car on water/electricity is real though.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'T')he reason for the gasoline cleansing is to purge all the water from the cyclinder, exhuast, etc.

[Armageddon]

Why Doesn't Water Burn?
Every first year chemistry student knows that water is composed of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. That’s what that “H-two-oh” thing is all about.

In our chemistry classes, we also learned that hydrogen is just about the most combustible thing out there. You know the story of the Hindenburg and “Oh the humanity” and all that.

And we also learned that three things are needed to create a fire: fuel, oxygen, and heat.

And any third grader knows that you can put out a fire by pouring water over it.

Waitammint. Am I the only one to see a paradox here? You put out a fire by pouring two-thirds of the formula for fire on it? Gee, it seems like water should be a tinderbox, just waiting for a match to turn it into a lighter-than air blazing inferno.

What gives? Well, if you just sorta mixed up the hydrogen and oxygen then, yeah, you’d have a ball of gas that’s ready to light up like a Kuwait oil field. But that’s not what water is. The hydrogen and oxygen form together at the molecular level.

In a union that is only fully understood by God, atoms can bond together to form something completely different — something that didn’t exist before. Something that that has absolutely no characteristics of the original raw materials.

God allows us to use electrolysis to break the hydrogen and oxygen apart. But He bonds them together so tightly that it usually requires more energy to break them up than what is yielded in fuel. When God sticks things together, He generally doesn’t mess around.

In the book of Second Corinthians, the Apostle Paul tells us that “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature”. The implication is that we are made into a new species, literally something that never existed before, something that has no characteristics of the original raw material.

I guess God knows what He’s doing. After all, He can take the most perfect fuel in the universe and turn it into a pretty good fire extinguisher.


http://themindofjoe.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... -burn.html

[ozkrenske]

Actually the science show on our public radio discussed a hydrogen producing water burner, effectively as a way of debunking water burning. All they are looking for now is alternatives to the current reactants.

Very close to pure demineralised water, 1 kg of Aluminium for each ~ 2 kilos of water, some Magnesium, Paladium and a sustaining electrical current. So to get about 500 grams of Hydrogen they burn, around $3000 of precious and processed metals. Of course the reaction also runs at around 1600 degrees and must apparently not flash to steam. So super high temperature and pressure as well as massively expensive.

Apparently you can also burn Corundum at the rate of 4 kilos per 100 grams of hydrogen. Most people know corundum as Sapphire and Ruby. Of course you have to synthetically create pure corundum to burn in this way. I expect a cost in the order of $200 000 per hundred grams of hydrogen, with massive energy inputs and just as dangerous reaction as the one above.

Neither of these Methods of burning water seems economically or energetically sustainable.

[idiom]

Quick, find all the clean wate ryou can, and we will destroy it in cars.

At least we won't have the starvation side-effect of ethanol.

[TreeFarmer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', '[')size=200]That's nothing!
I got a car that run on snake oil.[/size]

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'T')he reason for the gasoline cleansing is to purge all the water from the cyclinder, exhuast, etc.

[directinfo]

Anyone seen this? I did a search and didn't find it on the forums yet.

Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan - Reuters



Is this an electric car that turns water into hydrogen or what?

Any EROEI studies available?

Mass media - "Am I in the Twilight Zone of Denial again?"

After this 10,000th failure solution, what will the 10,001st failure look like?

[freddyseven]

Cars will run on water anyway! You dont need to buy anything!

Just put a water hose in your tank and see.

It starts up great and if you go fast enough, when the water hits the injectors you can coast for quite some time.

(Don't do that, it is a joke)

cars don't run on water.

If I want to save the most gasoline, I put in a cup of powdered sugar in my tank, I burn very little gasoline after that and it really saves me money.

Don';t do that either.

wait, I know,

Mosquito larva! Yes that is the key, a few gallons of mosquito larva per fillup really helps save gasoline.

[freddyseven]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'W')hy Doesn't Water Burn?
Every first year chemistry student knows that water is composed of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. That’s what that “H-two-oh” thing is all about.

In our chemistry classes, we also learned that hydrogen is just about the most combustible thing out there. You know the story of the Hindenburg and “Oh the humanity” and all that.

And we also learned that three things are needed to create a fire: fuel, oxygen, and heat.

And any third grader knows that you can put out a fire by pouring water over it.

Waitammint. Am I the only one to see a paradox here? You put out a fire by pouring two-thirds of the formula for fire on it? Gee, it seems like water should be a tinderbox, just waiting for a match to turn it into a lighter-than air blazing inferno.

What gives? Well, if you just sorta mixed up the hydrogen and oxygen then, yeah, you’d have a ball of gas that’s ready to light up like a Kuwait oil field. But that’s not what water is. The hydrogen and oxygen form together at the molecular level.

In a union that is only fully understood by God, atoms can bond together to form something completely different — something that didn’t exist before. Something that that has absolutely no characteristics of the original raw materials.

God allows us to use electrolysis to break the hydrogen and oxygen apart. But He bonds them together so tightly that it usually requires more energy to break them up than what is yielded in fuel. When God sticks things together, He generally doesn’t mess around.

In the book of Second Corinthians, the Apostle Paul tells us that “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature”. The implication is that we are made into a new species, literally something that never existed before, something that has no characteristics of the original raw material.

I guess God knows what He’s doing. After all, He can take the most perfect fuel in the universe and turn it into a pretty good fire extinguisher.


http://themindofjoe.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... -burn.html

[dukey]

Here is a scary thought ..
think about how dumb the average American is... then realise half of them are dummer than that lol.

[Windmills]

There's no such thing as a car that runs on water. You can crack the hydrogen out of the water and have it burn it in the engine, but in the end, it's all being run by some primary energy source, such as a battery or gasoline. Putting a water system in it just makes the whole thing waste more energy by adding in an extra unnecessary step. Makes no sense. It's a nice investor scam, or a way to take advantage of government research handouts and give some scientists paychecks and a little job security. Beyond that, it's worthless.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank.

[freddyseven]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')t probably had a lot of batteries inside so it was pretty much just an electric vehicle with an internal combustion engine burning hydrogen instead of an electric motor.

[wankmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'H')ere is a scary thought ..
think about how dumb the average American is... then realise half of them are dummer than that lol.

[Fishman]

Key words " energy generator". No details on the "energy generator". Clearly hydrogen is not the source of the energy.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('directinfo', 'A')nyone seen this? I did a search and didn't find it on the forums yet.

[directinfo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('directinfo', 'A')nyone seen this? I did a search and didn't find it on the forums yet.

[burtonridr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'T')he reason for the gasoline cleansing is to purge all the water from the cyclinder, exhuast, etc.