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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 16:27:54

Art is a poor substitute for being exiled from presence. And I do agree with PMS that the level of representation that contemporary art supplies has become awful in proportion to the further mankind strays from daily interaction with nature (although I don't think that's what you meant specifically, PMS). As for the critique of Horkhimer and Adorno spewing verbal diarrhea, that's utter nonsense. These are two of the most penetrating analysts of what ails us to come around in the last 100 years. They are hard to read, though. The Stanford editions of their works are much easier to swim through.
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby btu2012 » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 18:04:48

Part of what ails us is the misuse of words in order to impress rather than to express.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')rsatz aesthetics, the reification of moribund and corrupted language, the kind of language George Orwell warned of, engenders a kind of step-ladder ascent to semiotic heuristic mayhem, an end to discourse.


So we use words for their own sake rather than to communicate. A sort of mental perversion, motivated by narcissism (the opposite of empathy).

It is extraordinarily instructive to go through the exercise of translating modern texts in direct and healthy language (as Orwell and many others advocated). It tends to be so revealing of the psyche of the author.

I would assign it as regular homework to all students of philosophy.
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 18:09:20

Any other artists posting in this thread?

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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 18:20:17

You see what I did for you, Coberst? Yet you remain silent. Shameful. Enjoin the battle, speak your piece. Or else, see ya later.
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby Quagmire » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 21:15:07

Hello.
I am a peak oil aware artist.
I had to endure instructors during school who had bought into the abstract expressionism bullshit, the obtuse language that props it up, and the inherent sexist values that condemned anything emotional or feminine. Despite all this, I held true to my vision and have been a self supporting artist for many years now.
There is good art art being made today. You just have to dig to find it.
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" The following year I went to live and paint on a remote farm in West Virginia. Those eight years were a time of Dionysian rejoicing. I painted, I tended a garden, and I looked very intimately at nature. They were the most shackle-free days imaginable. Every day stood like a portal of existence, ready to answer the question of what is worth doing in this tall cathedral of freedom."
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 21:24:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quagmire', ' ')the inherent sexist values that condemned anything emotional or feminine.
I like everything emotional and feminine. I'm the Dada Intellectual.
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 21:52:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quagmire', 'H')ello.
I am a peak oil aware artist.
I had to endure instructors during school who had bought into the abstract expressionism bullshit, the obtuse language that props it up, and the inherent sexist values that condemned anything emotional or feminine.



You're much too limiting regarding the sacred cows in the historical art world that Abstract Expressionism laid to rest. If you were taught that a Barnett Newman, a Clyfford Still, or a Jackson Pollack, among many other AE's condemned anything emotional because of their sexist proclivities, then I suggest you sue your instructors for malpractice.

BTW, I skipped the practicing artist part for the practicing living part-- ditched the synthetic for the non synthetic. My life is art.
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby Quagmire » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 22:58:51

In the context of my world and my vision, Pollock is irrelevant.
For me, the larger question remains. And that is 'how does art address our present situation regarding the state of the planet and the tenuous future of humanity?'
Flipping through the pages of "Art Forum" shows me that none of this is being addressed. It's the same old dance for publicity and resumes and "in crowd" galleries.
Personally, being of doomerish persuasion, I have to let go of the illusion that my art or any art can change the current course of events. What I do now feels more like a dirge than a wake up call. It is me saying goodbye to the things I love.

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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby coberst » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 07:22:08

I have accidently hit the ignore button and do not know how to correct this error. Can anyone help me?
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby firestarter » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 10:20:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '=')"Quagmire
For me, the larger question remains. And that is 'how does art address our present situation regarding the state of the planet and the tenuous future of humanity?'


Poorly. To paraphrase Bob Black, conditioned self-distancing from REAL EXPERIENCE has been the goal of art from the beginning.

Most artists that I've been acquainted with are generally talented (self anointed) bullies. If there is to be any hope going forward I think it incumbent upon us to resurrect proximate, face to face authentic interaction and subsequently to foster a movement against synthetic representation and mediation, culminating in a refusal of art.
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Re: Empathy in Art

Unread postby Quagmire » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 13:40:14

Firestarter:
Your statements are intriguing.
Can you outline an actual reality based scenario to show me how this would play out? It would help me understand.

I'm also interested in hearing how you are manifesting your life as Art.
Does it entail more than simply living your beliefs?

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