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btu, original thought is all but impossible for the most part. what quinn has done is synthesize and collect quite a bit of theory and knowledge and put it into an easily accessible format that can surely strike the interest of those who follow that path.
i myself, upon picking up the book ishmael many years ago, sat down on a bench outside the bookstore and proceeded to read the entire book in a matter of four hours or so. i would count that night in general and all that followed as a peak experience ( in Maslow's terminology).
i do happen to love it when i see a "friend of ishmael" bumper sticker.

Cheers!

[btu2012]

Here is one original thought for you.

Quinn displays all the signs of a narcissistic and self-absorbed individual.

The peak experience you had while reading his book is also known as the "narcissistic sweep".

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My point is proven.

[btu2012]

Your point being that you are blind ?

[Ludi]

Wow, way to mischaracterize an author!

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')Ever wonder why he seems to like having a following of adulating fans ?

[BigTex]

btu, I just got the book and haven't had a chance to read it yet.

Don't spoil it for me.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')f anything, he barely tolerates his "fans."

[biofuel13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', ' ')Just because you are in love with Quinn's ideology it doesn't mean that what he advocates wouldn't lead to the demise of billions.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('biofuel13', 'I')t is inevitable that billions will die.

[paimei01]

btu2012, I am not a "fan" of Daniel Quinn, I would like to talk to him but probably we would both be talking about the same thing.
I told you that my view of the world was almost exactly like the one in his book, so when I read it I was happy to see I am not crazy and alone with only a few people somewhere on the internet sharing this view

You say he does nothing ? He wrote a book, there is nothing else to be done. I myself see humans getting smarter and changing their ways, as the only solution.
I am not against technology , as a solution to peak oil I want to do what has been done in Cuba in 1990, organic and local agriculture. Stop this "economy" game. Technology is good, simple life is good, protecting nature is good, it can be done if people stop , just for 5 minutes, stay still and look around (in my dreams )
Books like those written by Daniel Quinn help a few people do exactly that. So we must spread them around.

I am sure about the collapse , and the worst thing that could happen is that people do not become smarter after it, and reinvent the "consumerist society". Same thing appears in the book, so we must use the internet, we have this chance now of communicating our ideas , we must do it before everything collapses into the dark ages

We cannot become hunter gatherers again, even if I would want to

http://www.storyofstuff.com/ - a story about our society

[mos6507]

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[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'I') am sure about the collapse , and the worst thing that could happen is that people do not become smarter after it, and reinvent the "consumerist society".

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')
I am talking about practicable. How do you feed a massive population with a tribal social organization ?

[Ludi]

Why Billions don't need to die

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')I am more concerned whether there will be any humans left if we collapse with all the NBC arsenals we have. We cannot afford to collapse in the manner of the Western Roman Empire.

Whatever the faults of this civilization, we have to somehow avoid an endgame of all against all.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')I would suggest Biointensive gardening and permaculture, myself, but I don't know if it could support our population.

[BigTex]

Ludi, btu, please be nice to each other (or at least civil).

Thank you.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')lease post in another thread what actions you advocate to avoid catastrophic collapse.

Thank you. It may be an important thread. Please start it if there isn't one already.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')Dear Ludi,

I don't take orders from you about what threads to start or about what I post.