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Participatory Thought & Planet Plundering

Unread postby coberst » Sun 01 Jun 2008, 16:24:02

Participatory Thought & Planet Plundering

David Bohm informs us that in early culture we humans exercised “participatory thought”; this form of thinking is still common today—people felt that they were participation in the big picture—plains Indians felt that there were many buffalo that were displays of the spirit of buffalo and that in hunting and eating this buffalo the Indians participated in this world spirit—likewise the Eskimo felt similarly being a participant of the spirit of seals—these people felt that in their thoughts they participated in these worldly spirits.

Modern man has converted somewhat from such thoughts “We want to have a thought about something where we don’t participate, where we think about it and know just what it is.”—the form of thought which we modern man prefers are what is called “literal thought”.

Literal thought is intended to reflect just reality as it really exists—it is thought that focus on “just the facts mam”—technology aims for literal thought--the scientific method enthrones literal thought

Some compare this attitude about literal thought as being a form of idol worship—when we construct an idol it is a representative of some force, after awhile the idol becomes in our thoughts that force—example is when the flag becomes a literal thought of a nation—thus we overvalue the symbol—literal thought and participatory thought stand side by side but generally those things that we value most involve participatory thought—“the tribe and the totem—we are identical”—when my country is attacked, I am attacked; when my conclusions are attacked I am attacked.

Explicitly we give supreme value to literal thought—tacitly we give supreme value to participatory thought—literal thought makes technology possible and participatory thought went underground, the crazy aunt in the attic.

Participatory thought creates a sense of belonging; it does not create a separation of subject and object. “That way of thinking would not lead anybody to plunder the planet.”

Participatory thought however has some dangers. When Indian tribes thought of them selves as human beings and ‘human being’ became a word for tribal members then when engaging other tribes in battle that tribe were not ‘human beings’. Likewise in Hitler’s Germany a similar situation prevailed.


As society began to develop larger groups literal thought became more prevalent; these societies need much better organization. They organized society by saying “You belong here, you do this, and you do that…They began, therefore, to treat everything as a separate object, including other people. They used people as a means to an end.”

How do these characteristics of thought affect our ability to communicate and to “just get along”?
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Re: Participatory Thought & Planet Plundering

Unread postby municipal » Mon 02 Jun 2008, 09:59:00

Sociological theories and misconceptions are inherently wrong. the reason being we tend to put ourselves in the most positive light posible and make "exccuses for bad behaviour."

Basically its a load of bull.

Man is completely and totally a selfish creature and to ge what he wants he will come up with any "excuse" necessary to do what he wants.

When you think about it, that is a very frightening idea. You know one society, when it comes down to who is going to survive, will then kill your society every time. This is called
"selfishness. It is true and we all know it. Example of every nation, each nation under duress will always resort to killing everyone else if the need arises.

This is basically why man will kill himself. We have had it good for many years, and have no need of kiling and taking yet even then nations will kill and take even when there is no need.

Now, as peak approaches and passes us on the roadside of life, the nations are going to squeeze each other, and eventually again war will break out
(it always has, always will, and always shall be)
And unfortunately we now have weapons that finally make it possible.

Mankind was notdevelped from eons of slime this is an impossiblilty because of the nature of protein synthesis, totally impossible to synthesis left isomer proteins alone which is what every human being uses (while bacteria are all right proteins)

(Obviously life did not come from bacteria)
But left isomers trillions and trillions of them cannot arise without right isomers being made SPONTANEOUSLY and in real life, if one right isomer sarises it poisons the protein and the creature and both would die,

just cant happen.

We were created for love and service, and sin was the idea that we should look out for ourselves instead of being helpful and obedient, (I want that fruit even if I dont even need it)
and that thought is contagious and deadly

and it will kill mankid finally, completely and quickly, in just a few years the great mi. and the sociology textbooks will be trewn around the world, biodegrading by the bacteria that they did not arise from.

It is almost over, and the last symphony is tuning up as we speak. When it starts, nothing will stop it and the kettle drums are going to be large players in this round.
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