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Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby worrier » Wed 28 May 2008, 21:57:22

What suggestions would people have for fixing the world financial system, this is under the fantasy scenario that peak oil and global warming wasn't happening. Someone on another thread thought gold wouldn't work anymore as a back up for paper (or electronic) money. So what would work?

Keep in mind that some of us, (like me) are financial ignoramuses and need the simple version.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby joeltrout » Wed 28 May 2008, 22:33:55

Whats the point?

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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby errorist » Wed 28 May 2008, 22:53:28

Guns.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby Jack » Wed 28 May 2008, 23:02:31

The only way to keep it going without pain is to maintain perpetual exponential growth.

Failing that, the various poor decisions - from social programs based on flawed assumptions to mountains of derivatives - will surely implode.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 29 May 2008, 00:18:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat suggestions would people have for fixing the world financial system


Piece of cake.

1. Require an audit of every financial institution that has mortgage debt on its books, and require an honest appraisal of the book value of the loan portfolio, to whatever extent it can now be determined. The CEO and any officers of any institution that fails to do this should be marched to the nearest jail. Repeat this process every quarter, to allow for changes in the marketplace.

2. Start conducting audits of any mortgage brokers that have sold mortgages for the last five years, and identify any retail brokers, managers, or other corporate officers that have been found to deliberately falsify mortgage applications. These individuals and their managers must forfeit all bonuses, commissions and fat salaries associated with this, and also be marched to the nearest jail.

3. The CEO, the officers, and managers of any bond ratings institutions (such as S and P or Moody's) that gave this financial offal a AAA rating should also be marched off to the nearest jail, and made to forfeit all bonuses and salaries accumulated by this shady practice.

4. The institutions involved in (1) above must write down their portfolio (mark to market) to accurately represent its value to the financial community and their stockholders. Failure to do this should result in the CEO's being marched to jail.

5. Once steps 1-4 have been enacted, thus cleansing the system of all of the assholes, and restoring the confidence of the investing public in this system, put into effect some standardized loan qualification process, by which qualified borrowers can get access to money, and mooches cannot. This should be fairly straightforward.

6. Any politician found to have received "campaign contributions" from this system, and thus failing to regulate it, should be removed from office immediately.

7. Interest rates need to be raised to adequately compensate the lenders for the risks currently involved in the system. At the moment, no one wants to loan anyone any money, because rates are too low, no one knows what anything is worth, and the ratings systems that ostensibly were supposed to identify the level of risk were fraudulently manipulated. If you fix these three factors (steps 1-4) it ought to be possible to start up the system and have people be confident in the investment.

8. Any bank or financial institutions that fail based on 1-4 above need to be allowed to collapse, the officers arrested for malfeasance, and the stockholders not compensated for the failure. Any boards of directors of these institutions, whose responsibility it should have been to safeguard the shareholders, should be banned for life from being on another board, and a special court set up so that stockholders can sue the directors and officers for malfeasance in some speedy, expeditious way.

9. Any foreclosed home that is not occupied within 90 days of foreclosure must be bulldozed, the wreckage hauled off, and salt plowed into the ground, like the Romans did to Carthage. This activity should be paid for out of the fines from the officers in 1-4 above. Ideally, the officers themselves should be forced to do difficult manual labor on this. Zoning laws must be enacted to prevent any new suburban development until the existing vacant lots are built out.

That's all I can think of for now. Anyway, it's a good start. Before too long, the system will be detoxified, and we can start fresh in a way that gives lenders and borrowers, wherever they may be, some confidence that the system is honest, and correctly represents the risks.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby cowuvula » Thu 29 May 2008, 01:20:05

iT IS ILLEGAL TO SELL ANYTHING, THINGS CAN ONLY BE GIVEN AWAY FREELY

THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS

THE SELFISH WOULD DIE
WHY AM I TYPING IN CAPS


CAPS LOCK ON, SHEESH.
there.
Be ready...
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby phaster » Sun 01 Jun 2008, 01:48:09

Fantasy eh?

well here goes invent biological organism that puts lazy, poor, stupid, physically unattractive, greedy, pious religious zealots (basically traits I dislike in people), into a coma.

then I'd gather all the dead wood so to speak (in other words the people in a coma), and stick them in my second invention (inspired by the first matrix movie), which would be an self assembeling machine system that uses people that have unappealing human traits as batteries.

This should eliminate more than 9/10 of humanity that does not have a back ground similar to mine, basically rich, good looking, educated individuals with a math and science background, with a deep interest in economics (basically the Austrian School), who has read both the bible and koran and is familiar with other religious texts, and does not find it below their diginity to physical labor, knows how to invest and get average returns of 30% per year over long periods of time (say 10 years or more, so it can't be said that above annual returns were a statistical fluke). Basically my fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system, would be for people to have my super genius mental outlook and ability.....
truth is,...

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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby Kaj » Sun 01 Jun 2008, 01:53:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he only way to keep it going without pain is to maintain perpetual exponential growth.

Failing that...


'Failing that' ? How can this possibly suceed?
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 01 Jun 2008, 14:13:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he only way to keep it going without pain is to maintain perpetual exponential growth.

Failing that...


'Failing that' ? How can this possibly suceed?

It could succeed for a while...
Heck it will succeed for a while.
1 year more... maybe 2 years... maybe until 2012 if you are optimist...

Enjoy, while you can. :-D

It is interesting to observe collapse of defunct civilization.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 01 Jun 2008, 14:22:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '
')
Plenty of work for the prison service then !!!!!!!

No.
Not at all.

Deep dungeons could be dig (or existing ones from old castles adopted), mentioned officers lowered there via wells, and then daily amount of food thrown in every day via the same wells.
Heck, you may forget food - they may be left to eat each other. :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')roblem is, there will be NO managers / bankers / accountants left, as they ARE ALL up to their eyeballs in this.

Bloody good solution though.

I don't think that we need these peoples.
They got their chance and they have collectively failed. :-D
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 01 Jun 2008, 14:29:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', 'F')antasy eh?

well here goes invent biological organism that puts lazy, poor, stupid, physically unattractive, greedy, pious religious zealots (basically traits I dislike in people), into a coma.

then I'd gather all the dead wood so to speak (in other words the people in a coma), and stick them in my second invention (inspired by the first matrix movie), which would be an self assembeling machine system that uses people that have unappealing human traits as batteries.

This should eliminate more than 9/10 of humanity that does not have a back ground similar to mine, basically rich, good looking, educated individuals with a math and science background, with a deep interest in economics (basically the Austrian School), who has read both the bible and koran and is familiar with other religious texts, and does not find it below their diginity to physical labor, knows how to invest and get average returns of 30% per year over long periods of time (say 10 years or more, so it can't be said that above annual returns were a statistical fluke). Basically my fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system, would be for people to have my super genius mental outlook and ability.....


And when you grow old and gray/wrinkled and/or fat and lose those looks you get thrown into the recycling vat along with the rest who came didn't make the cut that week.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 14:59:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')NEW YORK - Two former Bear Stearns managers were arrested Thursday on securities fraud and other charges linked to the collapse of a hedge fund that bet heavily on subprime mortgages before the market collapsed, federal authorities said.
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Matthew Tannin was taken into custody outside his New Jersey home on Thursday morning and Ralph Cioffi was arrested at his New York City home, the FBI said. They became the first executives to be charged criminally in the wake of the subprime market debacle.

Yet the fall out is beginning to spread.

The FBI announced Thursday that it had arrested about 300 real estate industry players since March — including dozens over the last two days — in its crackdown on incidents of mortgage fraud that have contributed to the country's housing crisis.


Yahoo

It appears that the perp walks have started. About time.

Still plenty of work to do.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby basil_hayden » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 16:43:43

1. Make Leveraging Illegal. X=Y, where X is money and Y is assets.

2. Charge what things cost not what you can get for them on the high side or what its subsidized cost is on the low side.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:33:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('worrier', 'W')hat suggestions would people have for fixing the world financial system, this is under the fantasy scenario that peak oil and global warming wasn't happening.


Something like this.

An amnesty and full disclosure project with a deadline of a few years, with the understanding that a fishing expedition follows.
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Re: Fantasy scenario for fixing world financial system.

Unread postby MD » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:39:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat suggestions would people have for fixing the world financial system


Piece of cake.

1. Require an audit of every financial institution that has mortgage debt on its books, and require an honest appraisal of the book value of the loan portfolio, to whatever extent it can now be determined. The CEO and any officers of any institution that fails to do this should be marched to the nearest jail. Repeat this process every quarter, to allow for changes in the marketplace.

2. Start conducting audits of any mortgage brokers that have sold mortgages for the last five years, and identify any retail brokers, managers, or other corporate officers that have been found to deliberately falsify mortgage applications. These individuals and their managers must forfeit all bonuses, commissions and fat salaries associated with this, and also be marched to the nearest jail.

3. The CEO, the officers, and managers of any bond ratings institutions (such as S and P or Moody's) that gave this financial offal a AAA rating should also be marched off to the nearest jail, and made to forfeit all bonuses and salaries accumulated by this shady practice.

4. The institutions involved in (1) above must write down their portfolio (mark to market) to accurately represent its value to the financial community and their stockholders. Failure to do this should result in the CEO's being marched to jail.

5. Once steps 1-4 have been enacted, thus cleansing the system of all of the assholes, and restoring the confidence of the investing public in this system, put into effect some standardized loan qualification process, by which qualified borrowers can get access to money, and mooches cannot. This should be fairly straightforward.

6. Any politician found to have received "campaign contributions" from this system, and thus failing to regulate it, should be removed from office immediately.

7. Interest rates need to be raised to adequately compensate the lenders for the risks currently involved in the system. At the moment, no one wants to loan anyone any money, because rates are too low, no one knows what anything is worth, and the ratings systems that ostensibly were supposed to identify the level of risk were fraudulently manipulated. If you fix these three factors (steps 1-4) it ought to be possible to start up the system and have people be confident in the investment.

8. Any bank or financial institutions that fail based on 1-4 above need to be allowed to collapse, the officers arrested for malfeasance, and the stockholders not compensated for the failure. Any boards of directors of these institutions, whose responsibility it should have been to safeguard the shareholders, should be banned for life from being on another board, and a special court set up so that stockholders can sue the directors and officers for malfeasance in some speedy, expeditious way.

9. Any foreclosed home that is not occupied within 90 days of foreclosure must be bulldozed, the wreckage hauled off, and salt plowed into the ground, like the Romans did to Carthage. This activity should be paid for out of the fines from the officers in 1-4 above. Ideally, the officers themselves should be forced to do difficult manual labor on this. Zoning laws must be enacted to prevent any new suburban development until the existing vacant lots are built out.

That's all I can think of for now. Anyway, it's a good start. Before too long, the system will be detoxified, and we can start fresh in a way that gives lenders and borrowers, wherever they may be, some confidence that the system is honest, and correctly represents the risks.


Wow!
What a shock that would be!
I'm not sure the system would survive the surgery, but the alternatives aren't looking any better, at this point.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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