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Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby yesplease » Tue 13 May 2008, 15:54:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'M')ore than 80% of freight in China is transported by truck. Imagine trying to haul all those DVD players and whatnot to the nearest port on bicycles.

Here's a heart-stopping video clip for beer lovers: Careful, buddy
Which takes a whopping ten percent of oil use, give or take, most of which is for moving stuff like DVD players, which aren't exactly crucial. :lol: If we can't figure out electrified rail, something that's been around for nearly a century, and in some cases syn-fuels from whatever source, by the time oil production drops to a tenth of what it is now, we deserve what we get IMO. :razz:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Professor Membrane', ' ')Not now son, I'm making ... TOAST!
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby drgoodword » Wed 14 May 2008, 04:28:18

Yesterday CNN.com published a "briefing" on oil which struck me as being unusually peak oil aware, especially for a non-opinion piece.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Will we ever run out of oil?

All of the world's resources are finite so we will run out at some point. The big debate at the moment is about when oil production will peak -- i.e. when half of oil stocks have been used and production begins to slow.

Texan born geophysicist Dr M. King Hubbert first came up with the peak oil theory -- known as 'Hubbert's peak' -- in the 1950s, arguing that U.S. oil production would peak in the early 1970s. He was right. And since 1981, the world has been using more oil than it has been finding.


The answer to the next question in the briefing, "So, How Much Oil Is Left?," gives more content space to ASPO than CERA.

Mainstream, indeed.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby idiom » Wed 14 May 2008, 05:40:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'H')as it hit mainstream yet? Barely.

Click this first

Now click this


Why did you have to do that? I wasn't contemplating a sliver of optimisim I swear!
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:11:28

Wow. New Zealand is the most peak-oil aware according to those charts. Wonder what will become of that? That and portland oregon.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby Jack » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')ow. New Zealand is the most peak-oil aware according to those charts. Wonder what will become of that? That and portland oregon.


They will seek to prepare. As peak oil hits, they will suffer less.

Those who did not prepare will observe this. And they will overwhelm those areas that prepared. Said areas will then collapse under a tidal wave of desperate humanity.

There will be overload freighters moving from Indonesia to New Zealand; refugees on foot (or in cars traveling on fumes) will go to Portland. It will not end well.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby DefiledEngine » Wed 14 May 2008, 17:15:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')There will be overload freighters moving from Indonesia to New Zealand; refugees on foot (or in cars traveling on fumes) will go to Portland. It will not end well.


Word.

Anyway, peak oil will probably never truly get mainstream. As has been mentioned on this site many times in the past, it will probably always be some economic symptom that gets the attention. Like the credit crisis and housing crisis now, even though it's all grounded in resource peaks. Food prices, now that's a more compelling symptom.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby phaeryen » Thu 15 May 2008, 08:35:56

Yesterday it really did hit the mainstream here. Peak oil doomerism was #1 news story on the economy section of the #1 daily newspaper that has nationwide circulation. I was quite shocked. They even mentioned matthew simmons by name! It was topped off with a very bleak photograph of can't remember what exactly. But in the end, after presenting the very rudimentary arguments composing the idea of peak oil being a problem, they did themselves in by letting a fifth of the article completely trash the general tone of their own article. A quote from some bigass economist that downplayed it all as some conspiracy theory, and just a baseless, general argument of "most oil experts, however, dismiss these prophets of impending apocalypse."

Still, 4/5ths of the thing was presenting some of the easier to understand points about peak oil in a very concerned way. Doing themselves in at the end of the article I just couldnt understand - my impression was of an introduction of ideas to a general populace so that later on, the whole brunt of it might become a little more bearable.

Peak Oil wasn't mentioned directly. But they outlined the general trend of supply plateau and beginnings of supply decline, and a demand that just keeps growing. Producing countries diminishing oil exports because of growth of internal demand. 120$ oil, and a future outlook of where price still continues to rise rapidly. No big oilfield discoveries for so and so long, etc.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby drgoodword » Thu 15 May 2008, 12:45:01

Earlier this week, the leader of Canada's Liberal Party, Stephane Dion, mentioned Peak Oil:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The peak oil era is happening and we need to prepare our country to win in this economy," he said to supporters, who paid $500 a plate to hear Dion speak.


To put this in perspective for non-Canadians: the Liberals, at the federal level, are Canada's default political party, having been in power for more years than any other party since Canada's inception in 1867. Political opinion doesn't come more mainstream in Canada than the public pronouncements of the Liberal Party's leader.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 15 May 2008, 13:45:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaeryen', '
')Still, 4/5ths of the thing was presenting some of the easier to understand points about peak oil in a very concerned way. Doing themselves in at the end of the article I just couldnt understand - my impression was of an introduction of ideas to a general populace so that later on, the whole brunt of it might become a little more bearable.


It's Global Warming all over again. The press feels the need to present both sides of the debate as appearing to have equal weight. They will continue to do this long after the concensus has swung one way or the other.

So get ready for a decade of an "Is it a problem?" meme in these news articles while the world crashes and burns around us rather than "It IS a problem, so what do we do about it?".
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 19 May 2008, 19:00:29

USAToday website: Type in Peak Oil-you get news, ads, and:
Peak oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia May 17, 2008
Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum ... predict that United States oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
Peak Oil News and Message Boards May 15, 2008
Community and collaboration portal working to educate and promote awareness of global hydrocarbon depletion.
http://www.peakoil.com/
Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas (ASPO) May 19, 2008
Network of concerned European scientists working to evaluate the world's endowment and definition of oil and gas; study its depletion; and raise awareness of the ...
http://www.peakoil.net/
Peak Oil: Life After the Oil Crash May 16, 2008
Information on the geological, economical, political, and social aspects of the peak oil phenomenon.
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
PeakOil.org April 18, 2008
Looks at the potential for the peak in world oil production to radically change civilization.
http://www.peakoil.org/
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby Pops » Mon 19 May 2008, 19:21:50

Looks pretty mainstream on Google.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 19 May 2008, 20:58:11

National Geographic has joined the Peak Oil camp:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2000 a Saudi oil geologist named Sadad I. Al Husseini made a startling discovery. Husseini, then head of exploration and production for the state-owned oil company, Saudi Aramco, had long been skeptical of the oil industry's upbeat forecasts for future production. Since the mid-1990s he had been studying data from the 250 or so major oil fields that produce most of the world's oil. He looked at how much crude remained in each one and how rapidly it was being depleted, then added all the new fields that oil companies hoped to bring on line in coming decades. When he tallied the numbers, Husseini says he realized that many oil experts "were either misreading the global reserves and oil-production data or obfuscating it."

Where mainstream forecasts showed output rising steadily each year in a great upward curve that kept up with global demand, Husseini's calculations showed output leveling off, starting as early as 2004. Just as alarming, this production plateau would last 15 years at best, after which the output of conventional oil would begin "a gradual but irreversible decline."

That is hardly the kind of scenario we've come to expect from Saudi Aramco, which sits atop the world's largest proven oil reserves—some 260 billion barrels, or roughly a fifth of the world's known crude—and routinely claims that oil will remain plentiful for many more decades. Indeed, according to an industry source, Saudi oil minister Ali al-Naimi took a dim view of Husseini's report, and in 2004 Husseini retired from Aramco to become an industry consultant. But if he is right, a dramatic shift lies just ahead for a world whose critical systems, from defense to transportation to food production, all run on cheap, abundant oil.

They're about as mainstream as you can get.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby drgoodword » Sun 25 May 2008, 23:51:43

Another MSM article (The Independent) which speaks of the growing change in expert opinion from optimism to pessimism:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Peak oil
After 150 years of growth, the oil age is beginning to come to an end. "Peak oil" is the common term for when production stops increasing and starts to decline. At that point what have been ever-expanding and cheap supplies of the resource on which all modern economies depend become scarcer and more expensive, with potentially devastating consequences.
Pessimists believe that production has passed its peak. Optimists say it may be 20 years or so away – which would give us some time to prepare – but are now muted. Last week the hitherto optimistic International Energy Agency admitted that it may have overestimated future capacity. Chris Skrebowski, editor of 'Petroleum Review' and once an optimist himself, believes that the world is now in "the foothills of peak oil". Prices may ease a bit over the next few years, but then the real crunch will come. The price then? "Pick a number!"

One thing a number of MSM articles have gotten wrong is the "pessimists believe that production has passed its peak" meme. It would be much more accurate--and illustrative of the timelines of Peak Oil Theory--to say that the pessimists believe that production has reached its peak. Without clarifying the notion of the "bumpy plateau," I think we're going to get a lot of false dawns and wasted cheering when oil prices go down for a few weeks or months after hitting new highs.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby katkinkate » Mon 26 May 2008, 08:48:14

The term 'peak oil' may be bandied about more often, but people still don't get it. They had peak oil as the topic on Australia Talks today (a talk-back radio program on Radio Australia) and I heard most of the usual denialist stuff on why peak oil is a scam, conspiracy theory, plot by big oil co.s, scare-mongering for the gullible ... whatever. I think it will take a while before there is general acknowledgement, but probably years before the denialists give up.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby topcat » Mon 26 May 2008, 09:31:54

Pretty good article yesterday (Sunday) in a north Ohio paper, written by the AP. By calling the article 'good', it talked about the back-to-the-landers, and also 'the gun' folks.

It even mentioned PO and PO.com! Saved article for wife and kids to read.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby IndigoMoon » Mon 26 May 2008, 10:12:42

I did a simple search for peak oil on Google News this morning. This was the top story.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Unread postby btu2012 » Mon 26 May 2008, 11:24:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'S')o get ready for a decade of an "Is it a problem?" meme in these news articles while the world crashes and burns around us rather than "It IS a problem, so what do we do about it?".

That's the most likely public reaction but this time they probably ain't really got a full decade. But they'll do their best to confuse the waters for the next 5-6 years or so. You'll especially see all sorts of discussions of "solutions" involving tar sands, methane hydrates and the like.

We are about to be instructed once again about the level of collective stupidity of the human species.
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