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superstitious POers?

Unread postby alokin » Thu 15 May 2008, 02:25:08

With knowledge of PO I'm much more interested "what will happen in the future" as the only thing I know is that the future will be very different from what we know.
I even read some google entrances about 2012 and the Mayan calendar. Some years ago I would have said "all nonsense", but recently I think there might be a little bit of truth in those things.

Did PO made you superstitous?
Do you believe in predictions, influences of the stars etc.?
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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby bodigami » Thu 15 May 2008, 03:46:55

2012 a supersticion? So a 26000 year cycle of our journey around the milky way will go unnoticed? So unnoticed that Mayans make their (superior to Gregorian) calendar synched with it?

If such energies doesn't change anything, then I don't know what can. It's like a solar year, or a lunar month. This are no supersticions, this are part of our environments that has effects on us... from tidal waves to ovulation cycles, mood, and so on. Even day and night are made because of the "influence of the stars", and most organisms have an organical clock rought synched with this cycle...

it's all about the rythm.

But to be honest, I think that mayans "saw" Quetzacoatl on the the first baktun because of drugs... meaning that was quite probably an hallucination. BUT, there are some changing energies... and our technological civilization may be too fragile to this subtle variations, so subtle that ideally should be perceived spiritually... not affecting our civilization towards collapse. Imagine an EMP that kills all satellites... or all electronics on Earth... which actually sounds nice; as an oportunity for rebirth.
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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby alokin » Thu 15 May 2008, 06:14:22

Their calendar was probably not made under the influence of drugs. They were good in maths, ( as their grandchildren still are)

No I don't think that these rythms are going to be unnoticed, but what I think is that there is a lot of rubbish among that what you can read - however I didn't really began to read about this topic - any suggestions?
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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby Fredrik » Thu 15 May 2008, 07:08:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alokin', 'D')id PO made you superstitous?


Here is a poll I made on the same subject. It seems that, for all the generally skeptical and critical attitudes presented on PO.com, supporters of rigid materialist naturalism are in the minority here.

Many seem to be extremely skeptical about traditional theistic religions, especially Protestant Christianity, but embrace more vague forms of New Age like spirituality, ufology etc. which offer nice thrills, imaginative speculation and often some kind of hope for an existence beyond death, but don't expect worship of and submission to a God.

I think most people have an innate need for a supernatural reality.
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Unread postby TITAN » Thu 15 May 2008, 10:16:48

The fact that minions of the Catholic church ransacked and destroyed MUCH evidence and artifacts of historical significance in South America means that we will never know fully who exactly created the 'Mayan' calendar or why.

Sure, traditional archaeologists will say what they think, but there is no way to be 100% sure. Far too much of what is left has been falsely attributed to a civilization that was way too young/primitive to have any concept of what they worshipped. The calendar was a legacy handed down to them and we will probably never know by whom...

Maybe we'll be enlightened in 4 years???
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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 15 May 2008, 10:37:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', '
')Did PO made you superstitous?



No, I had goofy ideas before I knew about peak oil.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'D')o you believe in predictions, influences of the stars etc.?


Not especially, at least not to the level of "belief."
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Unread postby catbox » Thu 15 May 2008, 11:05:40

I just look at reality...the here and now.

It's so easy to get gnarled up in all sorts of hoopla...religion, etc....
that one gets out of touch with the here and now...then you are trying to
get others to go along....see killing yourself with your buddies because the UFO is flying by at midnight and will take us to the promised land...

*note...I've seen some pretty interesting stuff in the sky both day and night but I don't expect you to believe me nor do I care.

To me, PO and resource scarcity is a here and now thing and it's hard for me NOT to see it...don't think it's anything but a human thing.

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Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 15 May 2008, 11:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'D')id PO made you superstitous?
Do you believe in predictions, influences of the stars etc.?


No.

I do, however, accept the fact that many people in high office do believe. It is therefore in my best interests to understand those beliefs, so that I might better anticipate their behaviour.
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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 15 May 2008, 12:48:06

superstition is for those to weak to think of anything logical.
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Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 15 May 2008, 12:53:48

Humans are certainly an imaginative species.
Am I superstitious? No.
But, generally I can usually find one truth in just about any scenario/theory. The trick is learning how to judge the size of the truth, and how much weight to put on its credibility.
There seem to be a lot of events tied to 2012. Is it because the predictions are real, or because one person picked that date and others decided to use it to bolster their predictions?
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 15 May 2008, 13:27:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '
')Well, the Mayans (Aztecs & Incas also) were clever people, ahead of most at their time.

They died out, no doubt because of peak "something"

What was that "something"???.



Climate change and peak agriculture, probably.

Maya


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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby BigTex » Thu 15 May 2008, 13:38:22

Master Po said: "Superstition is like a magnet. It draws you toward your beliefs."

Benjamin Franklin said (I'm paraphrasing): "The trouble with human reason is that a human can find a reason to do almost anything."

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So I try not to put too much stock in either superstition or reason, since they can both lead you astray.

The best thing, I think, is to gain a good understanding of what exactly it is that you want. Once you understand this, you will see how your superstitions and sense of rationality are servants in the attainment of your own desires.

Where it gets tricky is when your deepest desire is simply to be a humble servant to the world. Even in this case, though, you will still find superstition and rationality being manipulated to validate and attain your desire to be a humble servant.

It's kind of like in politics when they say "follow the money" to understand what's going on. When it comes to figuring out who you really are, just follow the desire; it will lead you right to your little cabin in the woods, and there you will find yourself.
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Re: superstitious POers?

Unread postby alokin » Fri 16 May 2008, 01:04:00

Definitively, no one should take too much notice of these things, as on has no influence anyway. But there is some curiosity.
The worst thing is if decision makers are influenced by apocalyptical visions and things like "the last battle".

I definitely believe that there are cosmological influences on the earth. With PO it gets a certain credibility.
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