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Re: No More Tractor Pulls? Nascar?

Unread postby Frank » Wed 22 Mar 2006, 12:01:20

Research in the '70's showed that there was more fuel consumption caused by football games than any vehicle related sports. It's not the vehicles themselves that cause the consumption - it's the spectators.
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Unread postby jaws » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 15:01:35

I'm watching the NASCAR on television, and I don't know why they haven't yet figured that they need to have some kind of rock soundtrack to make these races interesting.
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Re: NASCAR

Unread postby smiley » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 15:09:19

That's why you should have watched the F1 today.
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Re: NASCAR

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 17:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'T')hat's why you should have watched the F1 today.


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Ticket sales down for motor sports

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 01 May 2008, 00:30:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')This is a working man's sport, no matter what picture some people try to paint," said H.A. "Humpy" Wheeler, president of Lowe's Motor Speedway outside Charlotte, N.C. "The people most affected by these obnoxious oil prices are the working man."


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout half the fans who attend the Coca-Cola 600 NASCAR race, set for May 25 at Wheeler's track, drive from more than 250 miles away, many of them in RVs that can cost $300 or more to fill up.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')acetracks generally don't release official attendance numbers. But in a recent conference call with financial analysts, officials with one major track ownership group, International Speedway Corp., said the company was seeing a high-single-digit percentage drop in ticket sales over last year.

Wheeler is hoping unlimited hamburgers, hot dogs and snacks will help his track, which is run by a rival company, Speedway mortor sports Inc. He's selling $89 all-you-can-eat tickets to his race, an idea he says he lifted from baseball's Atlanta Braves.

He's also promoting the NASCAR All-Star race, set for May 17 at Lowe's. To rev up fans for that, he's added entertainment — a "burnout" competition in which drivers will perform wheel-spinning, tire-smoking pirouettes in their cars, just like they do after winning a race.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')acing has weathered tough times before.

During the energy crisis of the 1970s, Wheeler found a way around gas shortages that might have prevented fans from making it to the track: He hired a former oil company executive to drive up the interstates leading to Charlotte and pay gas station owners $500 each to guarantee a fill-up to any fan holding race tickets.

"I don't know if it was legal or not," he said, chuckling. "I think, it was good, old American capitalism."


Maybe the government can send out Nascar vouchers.

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Re: Ticket sales down for motor sports

Unread postby canis_lupus » Thu 01 May 2008, 01:36:38

You meant to say "Ticket sales down for NASCAR". Champcar numbers were flat (up for Long Beach) and now the series are combined, open-wheel racing will trend up.

NASCAR's popularity crested two years ago and there's noplace to go but down.

I think with less overall disposable income and such a long season shown ad nauseum on TV, (not to mention forty year old technology, left hand turns, no shifting, and WWE-style entertainment instead of racing, and a strong hillbilly bent :lol: ) rather than solely gas prices people are choosing to stay home.
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Re: Ticket sales down for motor sports

Unread postby cube » Thu 01 May 2008, 02:14:20

Maybe they can start protesting high fuel prices just like the truckers. :)
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Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby foo » Mon 12 May 2008, 12:28:04

Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s gas prices soar across the country, the thought of paying $6.25 a gallon would make any consumer cringe.

Yet that's what it costs in NASCAR, where race teams use a special Sunoco 260 GTX unleaded fuel to fill their cars. Although the gas is free -- part of Sunoco's agreement as NASCAR's official fuel supplier -- it doesn't mean car owners and drivers aren't feeling the pain at the pump.

"It affects all of us, anybody that's in business," said car owner Richard Childress. "Getting our cars to the racetracks costs a ton in gas money for the haulers. Bringing our people to the tracks, the rising costs of jet fuel. It's very, very expensive to do what we're doing."


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')So NASCAR has no current plans to shorten races, as it did in the early 1970s when OPEC hoarded oil to increase prices, causing long lines at the pumps.

But the pain is still felt away from the track, where teams have noticed a significant increase in transportation costs.

From sending diesel-chugging haulers across the country to transport the race cars, to the exorbitant jump in jet fuel, costs are soaring in simply getting drivers, crews and equipment to each event.

"We're really noticing it in credit card costs," said Jay Frye, general manager of Red Bull Racing. "We're getting bills back for thousands and thousands of dollars in diesel fuel that's needed to get the haulers to the track each week. So every time gas prices go up, it affects our monthly budget because we're paying a bigger gas bill than we did last month."

With diesel fuel now over $4.00 a gallon, and each hauler holding roughly 300 gallons, fill-ups now cost more than $1,200 for a truck that only gets between 4.5 and 7.5 miles per gallon.

The real pinch, though, comes in jet fuel. Many team owners shuttling crew members, and drivers flying private planes on weekends, are considering cutting down on the luxuries.

Jeff Burton said he recently sat down with his wife, Kim, to discuss removing any nonessential travel from their plans, and in March, Childress had crew members make the three-hour drive from North Carolina to Bristol, Tenn., instead of sending planes.


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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby misterno » Mon 12 May 2008, 12:59:52

it is time they stop this nonsense called car racing

They burn the precious fuel which can be used for more essential activities in life.
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 12 May 2008, 13:57:03

I would like to see NASCAR replace all of its cars with Toyota Prius models, completely stock, no modifications.

That's what they would race.

That would be awesome (I don't mean for energy efficiency, I just mean because it would look so ridiculous).
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby Ang » Mon 12 May 2008, 14:23:14

I saw the word "NASCAR" and laughed out loud because if anything symbolizes how ridiculous we are and how P.O. came about so quickly, it's a bunch of cars driving around in a circle for 500 miles.

How about the first guy to till an acre of land without any power tools wins??
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby Byron100 » Mon 12 May 2008, 14:46:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I') would like to see NASCAR replace all of its cars with Toyota Prius models, completely stock, no modifications.

That's what they would race.

That would be awesome (I don't mean for energy efficiency, I just mean because it would look so ridiculous).


Seriously, though...what if they just used racecar EVs to run these things? I bet you could get the same level of performance with electric motors, and ear protection would no longer be needed...hehe. Just swap out the battery paks at each pit stop instead of gassing up.

That would be kinda eerie, though, watching cars zip by at 200 mph with almost no engine noise...
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby Novus » Mon 12 May 2008, 14:55:04

They should all race Tesla roadsters.
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby IanC » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:37:33

As a liberal, elite, west coast, Arugula-eating biker, I would like to say this to the whole NASCAR world:

DIE, DIE, DIE, DIE, DIE!!!!!!

That would have felt better if could have shouted it, but I'm at work.

What a wasteful pasttime. I don't give a s*** if peoples' jobs depend on NASCAR, this sport has to go. And it will. Talk about unsustainable Post Peak.

Wait, I've got it!!!! Just get a mega wide screen and show re-runs of old races. What's the difference - the cars go round and round, some crash, spectator's heads go side to side... Better still, just hook up the fans to car racing video games.

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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:14:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'i')t is time they stop this nonsense called car racing

They burn the precious fuel which can be used for more essential activities in life.


No way to do this without rationing.
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:27:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')hey should all race Tesla roadsters.


The races would be pretty short unless they had replaceable battery packs. The Tesla has long range for an EV but if you run it flat out it would probably drop to like 70 miles a charge or something. The only racing tailor made for EVs is drag racing.
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:29:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')his nonsense called car racing


For NASCAR this little bit of fuel is a drop in the bucket compared to the resources expended on the engineering, vehicle design, tire technology and other minutia to get one millisecond above the competition. Also, the drivers and pit crews have an entourage that has to go from race to race to service them. Plus, there has to be a whole organization of officials, rulemakers and inspectors to take measurements on the cars to keep them within rather silly tolerances that had to be introduced to keep people from dying every week, instead of once a month or so which is a more acceptable level.

These costs are gladly paid for by various sponsors who are delighted to have their logos and colors driven in front of 200,000 hillbillies plus a nationwide TV audience for four hours.

What will kill it is not the fuel price, but the fact that people like Coke and Home Depot will quit forking over the big bucks for this type of advertising.

Motor sports basically started as soon as the second car was built (to race the first one), and are not going to stop. We will most certainly see Tesla Roadsters being raced at some point.
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:33:02

My husband will be helping work on a race car this afternoon (replacing an engine). Not for NASCAR, though. :)
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby Rabbit » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:48:47

I'd like to see all the race cars converted to pure solar power. Ok speeds would drop to around 35 mph, but what a statement that would make to fellow Americans.
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Re: Rising gas prices have NASCAR feeling pain at the pump

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 12 May 2008, 17:52:51

What about Formula 1? Burninng oil in races is so stupid.

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