[bodigami]

About cars, we should be "voting with our money" by buying really efficient cars made by innovating new enterprises. When will the Aptera be ready? There was another, I think "fly the road" or something... Those are 2 passanger cars that can get 100 MPG easily, and have 1 (each enterprise) 100% electric version. This is the future, and should be sold worldwide.

But for now I'm fine externalising the risk of having a ICE vehicle, by using public transportation (bus) and walking. The economy doesn't make sense, and also politics, in general we're changing too slowly and too half-hearted.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'W')hen will the Aptera be ready?

[Ainan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'V')W is going to start selling a Deisel hybred that is to get around 65-70 mpg,, I hope it cost less than $20,000 than I might even buy one...

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')Unfortunately the car companies don't want to build these types of cars anymore.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')The Yaris is about 100 lbs heavier with 106 HP, but they all look like crap. Here's the funny thing, the Yaris has a Fuel Economy that is 5 mpg less compared to the older Honda's.

[timmac]

mos6507 wrote>>>> Partly because the formula used to calculate mileage has gotten more restrictive. So all the old mileage numbers are inflated in comparison

Yes that is true,, the new MPG rateing is more correct to real world every day driving, my oldest daughter 05 scion has a mpg rated at 42 mpg highway "old rateing system",, now 08 is rated 38 mpg highway "new rateing system" same auto no changes...

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')ow 08 is rated 38 mpg highway "new rateing system" same auto no changes...

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')ow 08 is rated 38 mpg highway "new rateing system" same auto no changes...

[TreeFarmer]

I remember back to this car because I drove one. I don't think it ever got mileage this good though.

"The 1978 B-210 (American model) with 5-speed transmission was rated by the EPA at 50mpg highway fuel economy."

Just pure basic transportation. No one is making that anymore in the U.S. of importing it.

TF

[shootst81]

hi new poster, been lurking off and on for a while.

I notice some people bashing the Prius? Why?

Sure it cost a bit more then other eco cars..but look at the tech in it.

I own a 2007 black prius, im not your typical ideal owner. 27 years old, have been a life long Republican, i smoke a pack a day..and honestly do not care that much about the enviroment, i do ..but not a tree hugger.

My prius get's 56.7 MPG avg right now, in the winter it is down to 48mpg. With proper tire's in the 40'spsi, and syn oil..and judicial driving it's possible. I used to get 35 mpg with my 2002 honda civic.

I drove my bub's town car he was getting about 22mpg avg, i showed him some hypermiling, and how he is on avg getting 27mpg in a town car.

Prius is alot of fun to drive! Sure it cost something, but really look at the price, it's not that bad..unless you tack on everything to get one loaded, which i did not. Price was 24,400 before trade in..18000 after for 5 years. The 2010 models will have 40% increase in FE via plug in hopefully+regen etc..one does not have to plug it in at all if they don't want to. Engine displacement will be increased to 110BHP+90BHP from eletric assist@333 FT/lb torque, current gen has 300fT/lb torque from electric motor.

I look at it this way, i almost bought a toyota 4 runner truck, would have been 27000 bucks out the door@ 19MPG...some people spend 50,000+ on car's and only get 19MPG..why not buy the more FE car if your going to be spending the money anyway?

And the ultra FE VW's are only aviable in EU, they don't import them here sadly..closetest thing you will get is TDI, but look at diesel prices now..yeek

[usncom]

Is anybody looking forward to the electric Chevy Volt for 2010?

I know that some of you probably curl up in disgust at the thought of buying a domestic car but isn't this worth a look?

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'I') remember back to this car because I drove one. I don't think it ever got mileage this good though.

"The 1978 B-210 (American model) with 5-speed transmission was rated by the EPA at 50mpg highway fuel economy."

Just pure basic transportation. No one is making that anymore in the U.S. of importing it.

TF

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('usncom', 'I')s anybody looking forward to the electric Chevy Volt for 2010?

I know that some of you probably curl up in disgust at the thought of buying a domestic car but isn't this worth a look?

[Jenab6]

I used to have a manual transmission Honda Civic that got 42 MPG. The rear plastic bumper fell off one day with little or no provocation, but it was otherwise a pretty good car.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('usncom', 'I')s anybody looking forward to the electric Chevy Volt for 2010?

I know that some of you probably curl up in disgust at the thought of buying a domestic car but isn't this worth a look?

[patience]

Somehow I never thought of cars as sexy, but rather as a utility thing. When I was a teenager, there was the competitive thing with drag races and road races, but appearance wasn't a big deal, unless it related to racing.

Since we are headed towards economy in all things, I'd expect that us old guys might be the first in line for cheap compact car.

Yeah, I think cube got it right about the cars of the future.