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Unread postby Gandalf_the_White » Fri 25 Apr 2008, 23:42:13

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008 ... 8626t0.asp

This article suggests there are currently lines at the pump in Australia.

I just saw a spot on The News Hour suggesting that the Pentagon has been running psyops against our own country to grease the skids for Iraq and the program is ongoing.

Can someone tell me why the American Media does not cover a gas shortage in Australia, would'nt there seem to be an obvious connection when another industrialized nation is running low on fuel.

Do you guys believe we are being psyop'ed?
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby TT » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 00:34:30

Hi Gandolf

We do seem to have a fuel shortage in Aussie at the moment, but no one seems to be noticing.

I live in eastern Victoria.

About a month ago Bairnsdale - a town of about 50,000 right on the main highway between Victoria and NSW - was completely out of fuel. The next day they got some supplies. A few weeks ago the only two service stations were completely out od fuel. We were all told to come back tomorrow after 11.00am as they would be getting 3000 litres then. About a week ago I was passing through Traralgon - a town of about 20,000 right on the Princes Highway - and the whole town was completely out of diesel.

The shortages seem to move around the state. First one town out and then another. Never the same town twice in a row.

No one seems to care much. It's like they don't realise that this could get worse. I'm not hearing anything about this on the news or radio. People are whinging about prices, but not a mention of no petrol in this town or that. I truly don't know the reason our supplies are so low. I really didn't think that we would have petrol shortages so soon.

Prices here are increasing on an almost daily basis. We are now paying $1.55 per litre for unleaded petrol and nearly $1.70 for diesel. About 6 weeks ago it was about $1.30 for unleaded.

I haven't seen lines at service stations, just a lot of service stations with signs saying "out of diesel" or "out of unleaded".

We haven't had the rice shortages the USA has. The food sotres here seem to be well supplied, but the fuel situation has me a little spooked.
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby Jack » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 01:02:02

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Can someone tell me why the American Media does not cover a gas shortage in Australia, wouldn't there seem to be an obvious connection when another industrialized nation is running low on fuel.


So...who are the "American Media"? If you take a hard look, I think you'll find they are subsidiaries of large companies that seek increased profits. Is decreased consumer confidence good for business? Is panic about fuel availability?

Simple question - if they run a story on gas shortages in Australia, how will that generate advertising revenue for the media outlet, or revenue for the parent company?

Now if solid alternatives were to exist - plug-in electric cars, for example - then the media would surely lead with the fuel shortage stories. The story would stimulate commerce, and thus would have value.

The Soviets had a saying: Ve Pravda, Ne Pravda.

Pravda, in Russian, means truth. The Communist party newspaper was, likewise, named Pravda. Thus the saying - in the newspaper named Truth, there is no truth. One might reflect on the possibility that the media is the same everywhere.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', '
')Do you guys believe we are being psyop'ed?


Yes - but not in the way you mean. Advertising is carefully managed to control us. I've been reading a delightful little volume titled "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays, still in print, but originally from 1928. It is well worth reading.

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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 01:16:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', '
')Do you guys believe we are being psyop'ed?


Yes - but not in the way you mean. Advertising is carefully managed to control us. I've been reading a delightful little volume titled "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays, still in print, but originally from 1928. It is well worth reading.

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We laugh at how stupid advertising is, but it is actually the slickest form of mind control in the history of human efforts to control others.

If you take a step back, it's terrifying how a certain number of dollars spent on the right kind of advertising can make people act a certain way, and they imagine they are exercising free will.

If an entity had good motives, modern advertising could be a tremendous force for good. When profit is the motive, however, you get the slick world we live in today--no reason in the world to be unhappy or feel in any way incomplete, and yet many people feel both all the time, and run from store to store trying to find a remedy that the TV told them would be there.
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Unread postby Kaj » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 01:21:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')Yes - but not in the way you mean. Advertising is carefully managed to control us. I've been reading a delightful little volume titled "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays, still in print, but originally from 1928. It is well worth reading.

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Absolutely. Everybody should read what the early public relations industry people were writing prior to WWII.

I did an essay recently on this, read some of Bernays's stuff, Biddle, and Harlow too. John Hill is also very worth checking out too. Here's what he candidly says about propaganda in a democratic society:

"Any program of public relations involves propaganda...there is nothing wrong with propaganda'
because:
‘public opinion…is the ultimate ruling force in the free world’
and:
'propaganda has an essential social role in correcting, in focusing, and in organising public opinion’

(From Cuttlip's book).

Propaganda is the precondition for the type of 'democracy' that the American elites are concerned about.
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 01:25:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', ' ')Do you guys believe we are being psyop'ed?


Well, there Are the stimulus checks... and, supposedly, Syria and North Korea are now the big bad nuclear Bobsey twins...and most "news" channels run almost nothing but the presidential campaigns-with the occasional cult children items...
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Unread postby mercurygirl » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 02:11:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', 'D')o you guys believe we are being psyop'ed?


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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby DrBang » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 09:41:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his article suggests there are currently lines at the pump in Australia.


I live in SE Queensland Australia. For the last 2 months or so, every Wednesday morning the price of fuel is changed. At every gas servo around, there are as many as 20 cars queuing at any given time before 12 midday. From week to week the fuel can jump as much as 20 cents a litre. Sometimes it drops a bit too.

I have never seen this before and I haved lived her my whole life. My wife now gets peak oil as a consequence. I don't know if its just panic from the public all trying to get fuel on the same day or it is a genuine shortage. My preps have kicked into overdrive though.
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 13:17:56

I don't think occasional closings of gas stations in Australia is important enough to make the news in the US. Australia is a looooong way from New York and the east coast, where all the US media is headquartered

In contrast, the shutdown of a refinery in England and potential gas shortages there are getting lots of coverage in the US media. England is always well covered in the US media. :)
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 13:45:25

Would the Australian press cover fuel shortages in North Dakota?

It's just not important enough for the US media to bother with.

No one in the US media market cares and they won't buy a newspaper that has a headline of "some gas stations 10,000 miles away ran out of fuel for a few days".

Mass rioting in the streets? That might get our attention.
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Unread postby Kingcoal » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 18:50:52

Actually, we don't get very much news from down under. For that matter, we don't get much news about Europe either. Having satilite TV and the internet, I can get all the news I want from anywhere, however. It's just that Americans on the street tend to be very provincial If they don't think it affects them, they don't care about it.
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby TT » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 19:20:43

Even the Aussie press is not covering this. Obviously its not important enough even here. Aussies remain oblivious to fuel shortages.

Fat chance of hearing about it in USA/UK
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 19:23:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') don't think occasional closings of gas stations in Australia is important enough to make the news in the US. Australia is a looooong way from New York and the east coast, where all the US media is headquartered

In contrast, the shutdown of a refinery in England and potential gas shortages there are getting lots of coverage in the US media. England is always well covered in the US media. :)


I have to agree with this. The midwest can be buried under a mile of snow and there will not be the smallest note in the news. The next day the same system drops six inches on Boston and you would think it was the second coming.

It is as if nothing really matters until the second it hits the east or west coast and then it is a sudden shock to the nation.
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Re: Anyone have an answer for this?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 01:33:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')If an entity had good motives, modern advertising could be a tremendous force for good.


That's what Al Gore is trying to do now.
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