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US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby dunewalker » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 11:41:23

I question this headline also. From the latest weekly petroleum report(April 23rd):

"Total products supplied over the last four-week period has averaged 20.7 million
barrels per day, up by 0.8 percent compared to the similar period last year.
Over the last four weeks, motor gasoline demand has averaged nearly 9.3 million
barrels per day, up by 0.9 percent from the same period last year. Distillate
fuel demand has averaged nearly 4.3 million barrels per day over the last four
weeks, up 0.5 percent from the same period last year.
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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby GoghGoner » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 11:48:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'A')nd you conveniently left out the explanation for that: early easter/spring break and more ethanol blended gasoline. Ethanol blended gasoline has around a 5% deficiency in MPG compared to MTBE blended gasoline(I don't even want to get into the discussion of how ethanol evaporates faster than gasoline). So even if the driving usage was exactly the same, we would expect to see at least a 5% increase in gasoline just from the switch from MTBE blend to ethanol blend. Also, I detest looking at small data sets like 1 month of data. It is more meaningful to look at data sets as large as possible. That way you don't have to worry about factoring in what day easter falls on this year and other minutia.


The EIA weekly report has shown an increase in gasoline consumption yoy for the last two weeks. I don't see any evidence that demand is decreasing.
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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby joeltrout » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 12:45:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
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I can't help but laugh when somebody says 4 miles and 15 minutes by car is "close." Try walking it bubba! That will give you a much better appreciation of what life in L.A. will be like when the oil deliveries get intermittant.


4 miles in a large city goes through some interesting demographics. Trust me if you walked the 4 miles you would want a bullet-proof vest walking past several blocks. There has been 3 killed (gang violence) in the last 2 months on the street that I drive down everyday. I go from a fairly nice neighborhood (home) then drive through a fairly bad neighborhood then drive to a commercial development (office) which is a nice area.

When oil deliveries get intermittant I will be on my way out of LA.

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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby GeoJAP » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 12:50:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '
')4 miles in a large city goes through some interesting demographics. Trust me if you walked the 4 miles you would want a bullet-proof vest walking past several blocks. There has been 3 killed (gang violence) in the last 2 months on the street that I drive down everyday. I go from a fairly nice neighborhood (home) then drive through a fairly bad neighborhood then drive to a commercial development (office) which is a nice area.


Yikes, and your state doesn't allow CCW/CHL either (unless you are one of the elite).
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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby joeltrout » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 12:57:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GeoJAP', '
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Yikes, and your state doesn't allow CCW/CHL either (unless you are one of the elite).


The only person I know is a friend who owns a small jewelry store in the jewelry district in downtown LA.

Speaking of him...the custom jewelry industry is almost at a standstill in LA. His family has worked in the industry for decades and this is the worst they have seen.

Same thing with the Port of Los Angeles (Long Beach Harbor and San Pedro Harbor). Imports from China have decreased greatly. Close to 50% of all US imports come into the Port of Los Angeles. So when it slows...a lot of other things slow. They also have over 350,000 labor contracts expiring this summer so a stike might be in the future unless they can work it out before then.

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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 14:11:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'I') am happy to say I am part of the reduction in consumption.

Thankfully our offices moved out of downtown LA which was a 1 hour plus commute on the freeway from my house.

Now our office is 4 miles from my house and only a 15 min commute on surface streets. If I had to I could easily bike to work. I am just too lazy right now.

If possible, I encourage everyone to live close to work.

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You don't have to start biking all at once , why don't you try one day a week who knows maybe you will like it more then you think and start doing it more. Also you can get a electric bike to help your ride at frist.

Nevermind I just read your other comment about driving through a bad area :)
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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby joeltrout » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 14:46:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', '
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You don't have to start biking all at once , why don't you try one day a week who knows maybe you will like it more then you think and start doing it more. Also you can get a electric bike to help your ride at frist.


There are a few more reasons then just being lazy. My wife and I actually bike routinely down at the beach on the strand/boardwalk.

LA has virtually no bicycle lanes and you cannot ride on the sidewalk because of foot-traffic. My route to work or alternate routes do not have a single bike lane.

Some of the areas I drive through are not the greatest neighborhoods and a white guy wearing dorky business clothes riding a bike....well I might as well put on a neon sign saying rob me. Even though they wont get much cause I dont carry much cash.

I listen to CNBC on my way to work, at lunch, and on my way home after work to keep up with the financial markets. I know I could get a wireless XM radio but I don't want to pay extra for that.

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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 16:16:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala2', 'k')ublikhan
I take it you work for the US media.
The title for the thread says "US traffic falls 7.5" but that isn't
at all what the article states. It says that traffic declined perhaps
7.5% in a particular county, the percentage of decline in the US
by EIA projection was stated as .3%. And that's gas consumption,
not traffic.
The 2008 figure of 7.5% was for one particular county, but the rest of the numbers I cited were nation wide. And it was indeed traffic I was quoting, not the EIA figure of gas. Also, it is not just that county showing declines in traffic. If you want to look at traffic region by region, check out the link below. For the month of December 2007, the graph shows a year on year drop in traffic of 6.0% northeast, 5.8% for the midwest, 3.5% for the west, etc. Total year on year decline in traffic for the US was down 3.9% for the month of december 2007. Are you seriously surprised that a more than doubling in gas price in the last few years would reduce driving?
Gasoline Usage heads down

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he last four months represent the first period since the 1980 gas crisis that there was a reduction in cumulative miles driven by US citizens.

Americans driving less

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'I') question this headline also. From the latest weekly petroleum report(April 23rd):
"Total products supplied over the last four-week period has averaged 20.7 million
barrels per day, up by 0.8 percent compared to the similar period last year.
Over the last four weeks, motor gasoline demand has averaged nearly 9.3 million
barrels per day, up by 0.9 percent from the same period last year. Distillate
fuel demand has averaged nearly 4.3 million barrels per day over the last four
weeks, up 0.5 percent from the same period last year.
Again, the headline was about traffic, not oil. But if you want to talk about oil:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or the first quarter, U.S. oil demand fell 1.4 percent from a year earlier, marking the third quarter in a row with year-to-year declines in oil consumption, the API said.

Oil Demand Down

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'T')he EIA weekly report has shown an increase in gasoline consumption yoy for the last two weeks. I don't see any evidence that demand is decreasing. See my comments above.
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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 16:19:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
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I can't help but laugh when somebody says 4 miles and 15 minutes by car is "close." Try walking it bubba! That will give you a much better appreciation of what life in L.A. will be like when the oil deliveries get intermittant.


4 miles in a large city goes through some interesting demographics. Trust me if you walked the 4 miles you would want a bullet-proof vest walking past several blocks. There has been 3 killed (gang violence) in the last 2 months on the street that I drive down everyday. I go from a fairly nice neighborhood (home) then drive through a fairly bad neighborhood then drive to a commercial development (office) which is a nice area.

When oil deliveries get intermittant I will be on my way out of LA.

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Just get a 50/ 125cc scooter. Heck If I lived in LA, I'd ditch the car. Pretty hard to do that here in -20 below.

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Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008

Unread postby gmaki » Sat 26 Apr 2008, 20:12:15

I drive the 405 through the Sepulveda pass mon-fri at around 9:00am. Probably one of the most highly trafficked stretches in the country. I have noticed a significant reduction in traffic recently. It started during spring break which is somewhat normal but last week spring break was over and the traffic did not increase.

I went through the 101/405 interchange at 65 mph every day this week (9:00 am) which is virtually unheard of on any single day, let alone 5 days in a row, even the carpool lane is usually stop and go trough that section...

Maybe it just hasn't gotten back into full swing after spring break but those are my observations.
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