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Re: MSG at the root of the USA Obesity problem?

Unread postby holmes » Tue 13 Mar 2007, 15:13:54

Eat raw unprocessed food. Yes the effects of the change from processor facility food to raw food is phenominal. Lets make every supermarket bulk and fresh produce only. The de-aging is amazing as Jdumars speaks of. as is the personality transformation. It truly is a humanoid society we live in. Truly. Humans are not really who they are. A body snatched society. Unlock who you truly are now!
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Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:06:33

Why do I weigh 190 lbs and the brother 400?

GENETICS my friend!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecoming overweight as a child is more likely to be the result of your genes than your lifestyle, claims a study.
University College London researchers examined more than 5,000 pairs of identical and non-identical twins.

Their American Journal of Clinical Nutrition study found that differences in body mass index and waist size were 77% governed by genes.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7230065.stm
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby davep » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:22:35

It's funny how these genes lay dormant for thousands of generations and suddenly became dominant when McDonalds and highly processed foods came out.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby charliebrownout » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:25:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')t's funny how these genes lay dormant for thousands of generations and suddenly became dominant when McDonalds and highly processed foods came out.


Could it be because we're dumping neurotoxins (MSG, Aspartame, etc) in our food and drinking from unsafe plastics like BPA?

Hmmm... I wonder.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:28:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')t's funny how these genes lay dormant for thousands of generations and suddenly became dominant when McDonalds and highly processed foods came out.


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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby davep » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:42:22

Sorry, my mistake. Obesity rates have been stable for millennia.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:56:47

The Genes were probably there for millennium, but availabilty of food makes them a hindrance rather than a help. Furthermore it is not just the food that a problem it the sedentariness of our culture. When a person would rather drive around for 30 minutes in a parkinglot rather than park in the back and walk you've got problems.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby dukey » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:00:46

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The genetic thing sounds like bs. You get fat cause you eat too much garbage and excercise consists of walking to the car.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby davep » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:01:35

In other words, a change to a more sedentary lifestyle, the availability of more food and the increase in use of cars may be factors. That's not a genetic cause.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:10:17

Not true. No different than saying diabetes is caused by ones diet.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby davep » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:18:59

Actually, adult onset diabetes most probably is caused by diet...
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:22:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')enetics
Both type 1 and type 2 diabetes are at least partly inherited. Type 1 diabetes appears to be triggered by some (mainly viral) infections, or in a less common group, by stress or environmental exposure (such as exposure to certain chemicals or drugs). There is a genetic element in individual susceptibility to some of these triggers which has been traced to particular HLA genotypes (i.e., the genetic "self" identifiers relied upon by the immune system). However, even in those who have inherited the susceptibility, type 1 diabetes mellitus seems to require an environmental trigger. A small proportion of people with type 1 diabetes carry a mutated gene that causes maturity onset diabetes of the young (MODY).

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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby AWPrime » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:49:54

Genetics only regulate individual susceptibility. Your own behavior is making you fat.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby charliebrownout » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 13:31:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', 'G')enetics only regulate individual susceptibility. Your own behavior is making you fat.


LOL, yep, too true. Still, I think the damage we're doing to our health with toxic food exacerbates the problem.

On another note: while I once felt it was completely unfair that some individuals stayed skinny despite little exercise and high-fat diets...I actually think I've got the better genes. I need far fewer calories to maintain weight and good health. Any additional calories INSTANTLY add to my weight.

That's actually a good thing to pass on. These times of abundance can't last indefinitely.

Naturally fat people in our society are more the norm because putting on weight with excess caloric intake is the norm. It is an advantage in ALL but the most abundant of circumstances.

Now, I'm not advocating being FAT, because I think there is a moral/health concern in BEING fat....BUT I think the ability to store fat is healthy....if that makes sense.

Some of my family members suffered greatly in the depression because she was/is one of those naturally skinny people who can eat anything and never gain. The naturally heavier ones, meanwhile, where better off. Oddly enough.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby charliebrownout » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 13:39:24

LOL, when the kids and I walk to the park people ask what diet and exercise routine I have used to lose so much weight. I move my arms in a pushing motion and say..."First, you push away from the table, then you lift your arse out of the chair."

Seriously. Reducing caloric intake, reducing consumption of heavily processed foods, and getting your butt moving has been/will always be THE way to drop weight. It isn't fun at first, but it is a plain/simple truth.

Speaking of which...need to stop obsessing over news and articles and get back to my chores/writing/exercise/etc/you know, life. PO is freaking me out...need to take a metaphorical chill pill.

Anyhow, agreed. Eat less, move more...ya lose weight...no brainer.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby TWilliam » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 14:07:34

"Obesity 'may be largely genetic'. "

See... yet more confirmation that the gene pool is in need of a serious scrubbing... :twisted:
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 14:18:36

Whew, that makes me feel better, and I thought it was because I was eating too much...
Munch,munch,munch, now, lets discuss cannibalism, and why they are not obese... [smilie=XXfridge.gif]
Alex, munch,munch,munch...hand me that thigh will ya...
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 14:47:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', '
')Munch,munch,munch, now, lets discuss cannibalism, and why they are not obese... [smilie=XXfridge.gif]
Alex, munch,munch,munch...hand me that thigh will ya...


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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby Falconoffury » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 15:43:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')enetics only regulate individual susceptibility. Your own behavior is making you fat.


AWPrime has it right. Your body can't make you fat if it simply does not have the calories to do so.
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Re: Obesity 'may be largely genetic'

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 19:35:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'M')unch,munch,munch, now, lets discuss cannibalism, and why they are not obese... [smilie=XXfridge.gif]


Because they artificially clean their genepool of the obesity genes by selecting them for elimination when they eat the fat slow runners of neighboring tribes.

Now pass that brain salad already :wink: Numm numm numm
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